"Amarelinho" Twist/Rope Tobacco (variety)

[istanbulin]

Most of us really curious about the "OT (Other)" classed varieties in GRIN. This year I have one one them, "Amerellinha". It was donated by Argentina but plant inventory says that seeds were imported from Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil. (PI 119822)

After searching for documents (found nothing) and watching some Brazilian videos on internet I caught this snapshot in a video on youtube.

Video link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkFyBHz6fg (at 2:54)

It's spelled "Amarelinho" in the video, not "Amarellinha". A Twist/Rope tobacco in a tobacco store in São Paulo, Brazil.

Probably we have a Brazilian variety used for making traditional Twist/Rope tobacco.

Although Twist/Rope tobacco is generally consumed as chew or pipe tobacco, those guys in the video just roll cigarettes with it.


Here's "Amarellinha" (PI 119822).

Leaves are bigger than Manhattan Island.


I found an interesting abnormality about the leaf tip. Although some leaves look more normal, most of them are like this. The photo on GRIN database shows nothing similar.

Leaf tip.


Finally, this is how those guys made Twist/Rope tobacco in Brazil. (starts at 1:28)

 

[grgfinney]

I'm also growing this variety let me know your impressions of it when you get it cured only 1 plant survived to make it in the patch and I have three more in buckets

 

[forumdotabaco]

hey I may help amarelinho/ amarelinha are the diminutive of Yellow masculine and feminine gen

amarelinho = masculine
amarelinha = femeninine

in Brasil they have several kinds of rope, and ropes made from other ropes kind of 6 in 1 I have never saw this kind of ropes in other countries but since they all are from the same zone it may be possible, that this method may be used in other country's, I don't remember the name of the thread but some weeks ago I posted some videos about this, where they identify, the states in Brazil that provide those kinds of tobacco.

 

[istanbulin]

I'm also growing this variety let me know your impressions of it when you get it cured only 1 plant survived to make it in the patch and I have three more in buckets

Sure. Have you noticed "leaf tips" there ?

 

[istanbulin]

hey I may help amarelinho/ amarelinha are the diminutive of Yellow masculine and feminine gen

amarelinho = masculine
amarelinha = femeninine

...

Thanks. Actually I'm aware of masculine/feminine words but my doubt was the extra "l" in Amarellinha. I couldn't find it in the dictionary, does it (Amarellinha - with the extra "l") mean anything, or it's just a misspelling ?

 

[DonH]

I'm guessing it's a misspelling. Portuguese doesn't do double 'L's. For the Spanish ll they would do lh.

 

[POGreen]

Looks like a nice plant to me.

 

[istanbulin]

Despite the hail damage on the leaves, it really is. Thanks.


I just found a detailed source, an old paper about Amarelinho but it's in Portugese and I couldn't make it translated because of the pdf file. Any help would be appreciated.

http://www.scielo.br/pdf/brag/v4n8/04.pdf

 

[forumdotabaco]

the extra I is just a misspelling, I already have the doc,I can tell you that this docs it what you want, but is big let me try to translate it

 

[Jitterbugdude]

That's a really nice video of making rope. I'd like to know how they get the green rope to turn in to a black oily rope though.

 

[istanbulin]

the extra I is just a misspelling, I already have the doc,I can tell you that this docs it what you want, but is big let me try to translate it

Google translate overcame most of the pages but it skipped some, e.g. first page.

 

[istanbulin]

That's a really nice video of making rope. I'd like to know how they get the green rope to turn in to a black oily rope though.

This what Portugese Wikipédia says.

The tobacco leaves are harvested when they reach full maturity and hung to wither. After separation of the central ribs, the leaves are twisted to form the rope, ranging from four to eight the number of sheets used as the desired thickness, the rope being wound on a reel. The tobacco roll is sun-cured for 60 to 90 days; this time the rope is twisted several times, moving from one reel to another.

I think torsion force (or whatever it's called) of the rope may work like a Perique press. Darkening mechanism of the tobacco rope may be similar to Perique.

 

[squeezyjohn]

I think that must be the case ... I made my "perique" compressed sausage of tobacco using old British sailor's methods from colour cured tobacco - but the resulting tobacco was distinctly fermented in flavour after only a few months. I'm sure that this rope made from wilted green tobacco would have a stronger fermented taste due to the liquid content when it's rolled up.

I bet it's delicious!

 

[deluxestogie]

Interesting thread (and rope). And leaves bigger than Manhattan!

Bob

 

[forumdotabaco]

I'm trying to translate it but the problem is that some text are images, need to wait so my wife can look to it in .docx instead of .pdf
anyway there are lot of content to this thread here http://fairtradetobacco.com/threads/4363-Y1-Tobacco?p=78396&highlight=#post78396
the leaf is pre cured by sun and then rolled in to ropes but those ropes will still curing for a long time before they are ready

 

[Knucklehead]

Removing the midrib prior to making the rope also helps in the prevention of mold during the cure.

 

[holyRYO]

So that's how they twist rope. Thanks for sharing.

 

[FmGrowit]

Good video, but there is one critical step missing in making the rope. The initial "rope" being made is one of or most likely three strands to the finished rope.



The individual strands are most likely rewound as they cure to tighten up the strand. When they are sufficiently cured, they are wound into the finished rope.



This is curing method is probably the equivalent to the old mariner's "carrot" process



and a close relative to Perique.

Here's a video on making rope. The point of interest is at about 2:10 (the whittle stick).

 

[forumdotabaco]

ok back with the translated document, the expression Amarelinhos are the bright leaf strains
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B59IPYLHOhI5SWNEN3lYbzJibjA/edit?usp=sharing

 

[grgfinney]

I just checked leaf tips they are the same on more mature plants not on the little ones yet