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Those cheap ones are pretty cheap. You might want to get the Imperial, it has metal gears and spring steel rakes. The 1mm angel hair attachment is toward the bottom of the page.

The 6" will work fine.
 

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Wazz The Imperia I have stripped the gears, I took it a welder friend and he welded the gears to the shafts. He tried a mig and could not get them to hold, He had to use a 304 stainless rod on high heat and that worked well. I have cut 12 lbs ( midrib removed) with no problems so far.
 

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Thanks Lefty, That's what I have been doing. I was just looking for an easier way. :eek: I would kill for my Mom's old wringer washer.

John
 

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i already ordered the cheapo one, hope it stands up for a bit. hopefully its not plastic gears there is a 90 day return policy, so well see.
 

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I rolled a bunch of leave through the pasta roller section of mine awhile back. It did a really nice job of flattening the leaf but when I went to use it as a wrapper it was rather odd, kind of like it had lost all of it's elasticity. I no longer use it for flattening leaves.
 

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Just to clarify on the 'pasta maker' for rolling leaf.
They can be adjusted to roll as flat as you want, so yes, it can be used.
But, the rollers are smooth - will need to be scuffed or roughened to grab the leaf. Even then, feeding it may be difficult and tedious. The leaf could be fed in, then adjust the rollers tighter, and the leaf rolled back & forth (the crank turns both ways). Then, I don't think the results would be any better than the rolling pin, at best.
They won't take anything wider the 5 1/2 inch (roller width), unless you fold the leaf.

Frankly, a rolling pin on a hard surface would be much quicker, more efficient, and you can probably apply more pressure to the leaf.
These pasta makers are great for shredding, but not worth getting one if all you're doing is rolling leaf.
 

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You've lost me on rolling a leaf flat for use as a wrapper. I've rolled almost 2000 cigars, using every sort of leaf imaginable as a wrapper, from nice wrapper grade shade leaf to leather-thick CT Broadleaf, Burley, Maryland, various binder and filler grade leaf, and even Zambian ZMA, Copan and rustica. I rolled a puro of black, shriveled, India Dark Air. I've never found a need to "flatten" the wrapper.

Once the selected wrapper strip is in high case (time varies with variety from immediately after misting, with shade leaf, to towel humidifying overnight with Broadleaf), it stretches out perfectly. Any frilly margin is trimmed away to form a smooth outer curve, and then I wrap the cigar with it. Even with a damp wrapper, if the filler is in low case, the cigar can be immediately smoked.

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OK Bob, I defer to an experienced hand. If I roll the wrapper leaf the cigar seems smoother, more like the commercial cigar I smoke. I guess I was trying to duplicate the examples I have seen thousands of.

John
 

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John,
I really don't mean to pontificate. There are a gazillion ways to do this stuff that work just fine. A very high-case leaf will stretch smooth over a smooth bulk.

In many Caribbean cigar factories, the experienced rollers are paid more than the other workers. So some of the factories have lower-wage people sitting at what looks like a flat "ironing board" press, like the ones that used to be common in commercial laundries. Here they press each leaf. This allows the rollers to wrap cigars faster.

My view of this process of pre-pressing the wrapper is that it is an economic decision to increase the productivity of the higher-paid workers. For one-off hand-rolling at home, I think it's a step that isn't necessary.

When we watch those videos of cigar rollers in factories, they make it look easy, because somebody (or bodies) else has already done part of the work. The most useful video I've ever watched was one that FmGrowit posted on FTT back in July 2011, that shows an older Cuban woman rolling cigars free-hand, from scratch, as a demo during some sort of German conference. She moves "slowly," deliberately, step by step, then hands a finished cigar to one of the attendees. The pearl of her actions is how she patiently hand-compresses the bulk, while adding scraps, until it is as smooth as a chair rung. In wrapping, she often backs-up, gives an extra tuck into the bulk, then proceeds, apparently going by the compressive feel of the bulk beneath her fingers.

I watched that one many times, as opposed to those with the partially undressed bimbos rolling pre-setup cigars on their thighs, while flirting with the camera.

Don's all-time best cigar-rolling video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYh2FOObW6E&feature=related

(I just watched it again twice. Damn! It's good.)

Bob

EDIT: I just noticed for the first time that her glue is so thick it's like an ointment.
 

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Thanks Bob,

I just watched the video and I think I saw it before. You're right. It is a great video. I use Knox Gelatin as my glue. It mixes nicely in warm water and as it cools it thickens. I keep it in the fridge to prevent spoilage and warm if for 15 secs in the nuke before using it. I wonder if she is using a molasses based product.

I'll try not rolling wrapper but I think my ways are set. :cool:

John


 
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well now deluxe has me thinking. instead of pre moistening, and especially nuking, (dont think its good to smoke that), could you use a household iron on high steam with a piece of cloth over the leaf? if so, two birds one stone.

since im not familiar with cigar rolling, if thats exactly what they use in factories (except its commercial grade) forgive me.
 

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. "I watched that one many times, as opposed to those with the partially undressed bimbos rolling pre-setup cigars on their thighs, while flirting with the camera.

Don's all-time best cigar-rolling video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYh2FOObW6E&feature=related

(I just watched it again twice. Damn! It's good.)

Bob

EDIT: I just noticed for the first time that her glue is so thick it's like an ointment."


I watched that video several times myself to observe how she adds the oval cut out to secure the end wrap. If I still have filler sticking out because I wrapped at wrong angle or had to short of a wrapper I add a short wrapper of any leaf that tastes good towards the end where the first wrap ended. I haven't used a binder on the last 1/2 dozen or so cigars. [The bimbo video is entertaining though]

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$20 for a 7 inch this week only (again) i guess mine works ok. i pulled it apart before using it and found steel gears. it is a (joseph) strauss. not sure if spagg attachment is the same, but seems to be original item in box. the only issue i have is with thin leaf not all cutting ( some of it only gets the impressions of the cutters on it), so i fold it in 4. maybe it will break apart better at higher case. also some of the stems (not midrib) seem to make the baccy not go through and just have the rollers skidding along the leaf, not pulling it through. not sure if i should trade it in for a paper shredder, or try mine, but it only does what 4 mm, and cuts it in 2 in lengths.
 
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