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Hi everyone at Fair Trade Tobacco,

I am new to the forum. I have been browsing around here a bit for the last few weeks. Fair Trade Tobacco is a huge network and knowledge base. I am very enthusiastic, especially about the grow logs. I do not have a lot of growing experience myself yet, but I do intend to add to the diversity of this forum in my own particular way. One of which is to introduce the Dutch variety which was grown around the Eastern region of the Utrecht province in the Netherlands before and during WWII. However, that is to be discussed in a different thread. In a nutshell, this grow log is dedicated to growing plants of three individual collections of seeds made in the mountains of Timor-Leste.

Timor is an island in the far south east of the Indonesian archipelago. Having made a trip to the West part of the island with a friend in April 2013, I was eager to travel to the East with my partner this month, July 2016. The east was colonised by Portugal rather than the Dutch, leaving behind a country that is significantly different in sociological terms. Timor-
Leste is a sovereign nation as of 2002.

This thread will neither be a history lesson nor a travel blog. However, to give an accurate description of what I am about to grow, I will write a detailed descriptions of the collections made on each different occasions. Frankly, I am not completely sure what we have collected. Therefore a background of what we intended to do and how we went about.

Globalization of tobacco has made it hard to find isolated varieties in remote places, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't give it a shot. Besides travelling to a remote and beautiful country, collecting tobacco seeds was always on our shortlist. Prior to leaving I was able to find a single entry at the AVH (Australian Virtual Herbarium) for a Timor-Leste collection of tobacco. Besides that it is hard to find online details about tobacco cultivation in the country, if any. I did expect to find tobacco grown in one form or another since a large proportion of the Timorese smoke, as well as grow their own herbs and spices. I had no reason not to expect that the variety would be unique. On Java there are numerous tobacco varieties such as Besuki, Jatim, Kasturi and Lumajang, whereas on islands in close proximity such as Madura, Bali and Lombok the varieties are again different ones. Timor is much further away and thus more isolated, both physically and historically.

Arriving at Dili, the capital, we hired a 4x4 to be able to take on any terrain we would face. Most tourists on Timor-Leste drive along the North coast toward the eastern tip and go to Jaco island. We had different plans...

Picture East Timor as the shape of a crocodile's tail with roads along the coasts and a few connecting roads from North to South through the mountains. We drove towards the east and concluded that the northern coastline would be much too dry for tobacco to grow easily. We stayed one night at Baucau before driving into the mountains, aiming to drive towards Viqueque, a stronghold area during Indonesian occupation in the last quarter of the 20th century.

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After passing the town of Venilale we started to see some tobacco plants growing, predominantly against the structure of their wooden houses. Semi-wild, as only very few leafs seemed to be picked from the plants. Most plants never seemed to have been transplanted and some grew between the rocks, which I doubt would be a place to deliberately plant tobacco. I saw a few fine plants around but only on one occasion did I spot seedbuds. These people sold bananas and oranges so we bought some, showed interest in the tobacco and gave them an extra dollar to include some ripe seedbuds. The Timorese speak Tetun, Portuguese, and Bahasa Indonesia
. We communicate with them in the latter of those three. Upon obtaining the seeds we were told that the locals in the district roll this tobacco in the dried skin of corn cobs. Temperature around this area was somewhat below 20°C. Later that evening we stopped and slept around the town of Loihunu and found ourselves unfortunate to have collected buds which had spilled most of their seeds. Then again, better to have some than none.

We kept on going and slept the following night in a small town in the Manufahe district which is not far from the South coast. As many houses had small spic
e and herb gardens I asked a certain Mr Fernandez if any tobacco was grown in Fatuberliu. He told me there was none in the town itself, but that there was definitely tobacco to be found in the mountains of East Timor, confirming what we had found earlier.

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Some time later we found ourselves driving in the Ainaro district in-between the town of Same and Maubisse. Tobacco seemed more rare around here in comparison to Viqueque. When seeing some tall tobacco plants grow in the shadow of a hut upon a hill I started climbing it right away. There was only a boy who was not old enough to be able to speak Indonesian. He had trouble understanding what I wanted, but he did not intervene when I started to break of some stems with buds. After bringing those back to our car I went back and gave the boy five dollars. The temperature around this zone dropped even further than in Viqueque and was about 17°C that day. The amount of seeds retrieved from these buds was much higher than those of the previous occasion.

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Later that week we found ourselves back at Dili, enjoying the final days of our vacation. We concluded that there was one connecting road away from Dili into the mountains that we had yet to drive. On the road to Railaco, just before exiting the district of Liquiçá there are a number of people who cultivate tobacco. Some of these people do so in a very orderly fashion. The altitude here is a bit less in comparison to Viqueque and Ainaro and thus the temperature is higher. The people were very eager to sell but it was hard to find a house that had plants passed the blossom stage. We both saw one very tall plant which had been primed and from which we were able to collect a large amount of seeds.

I am only going to refer to the different collections of seeds with the names Viqueque, Ainaro and Liquiçá as to distinguish them from one another. I am in no way attaching names to these plants as if they were varieties. As I mentioned previously, I am not sure what these plants are. I saw various characteristics among plants and I am not quite sure whether they are due to growing conditions or to genotype. Also, I am not sure how this tobacco got to Timor-Leste. Whas it
shipped by the Portuguese, or was it brought during a more recent epoch of Indonesian occupation? As the tobacco on Timor is found in the mountainous areas it seems unlikely that they were dispersed by the Indonesian, as these were the areas to which most of the Timorese fled and held resistance. Especially in the case of the Viqueque district. I am not too sure if that reasoning would hold for Liquiçá. Then again, I am not quite sure...

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My aim is to grow the tobacco we collected on Timor-Leste during the following weeks and to see what it looks like. I am growing the seeds in the East of Java, where the rainy season is about to come to an end. I am growing them alongside some Besuki and Amerongen. Any suggestion is welcome. I hope to receive some help as to identify the type of tobacco. Once again, I am a young grower, not too experienced.

 

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Welcome to the forum. This post is so interesting, and I will definitely follow your progress with the grow. If the seeds were open pollinated the results could be unpredictable. To be true to the mother plants the flower heads are bagged before the bees can get there and cross pollinate from another type. Best of luck.
 

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I think "Timor-Leste" is a great name to let that tobacco have. It's very hard to do something else, give em a name and tell the story will probably become the best thing to do.
 

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Enjoyable post. It reminds me of accounts of the extensive journeys by the USDA "Agricultural Explorers," who traveled throughout the remote places of the world during the 1920s and 1930s to acquire new tobacco varieties. Their hundreds of acquisitions are today the backbone of the ARS-GRIN seed bank. As often as not, the newly acquired seed was tagged with the name of the geographic location (often the nearest town), unless the locals already had a name for the variety. (Sometimes the name was as vague as "white blossom" or "red blossom"--a trait which is unfortunately altitude dependent, and is seldom indicative of what you get when you grow it.)

Once you have fairly mature plants, it may be possible to pin them down as to a general use class: cigar, flue-cure, Oriental. Only after kilning and smoking will you be able to get a better picture of what you have. Since tobacco is mostly self-fertilized, you likely have distinct strains from those obscure places. But tobacco seeds have been traded to even the most remote areas. [Less than a generation after Hiram Bingham first "discovered" Machu Picchu, a USDA Agricultural Explorer acquired seed from there--actually on Huayna Picchu--that was called "Havana" by the local family that grew it.]

This is valuable work. Thank you. I look forward to your grow.

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When I tried to figure out the Swedish tobacco history Someone was given me a link to ARS-GRIN's seed-bank (the one Bob just told you about). It's a really interesting bank. Some of the seed are in good hands in this forum (the bank ain't opened to day) but people in here can sometimes answer questions about some variants and if you are lucky you even can get some seed.Don't know if this link will be any help for you but I did a search on" Indonesian nicotiana" and "only" active variants:http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npg...erse=on&si=0&.cgifields=si&.cgifields=reverse
 

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Very cool story on how you got these. Good luck growing and keep on adventuring buddy!
 

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First of all, thanks for the appreciation. It does mean a great deal to me.

I had some issues when including the photo's into the first post as it would not let me edit a second time. Two out of three pictures of the first collection (Viqueque) are not showing. if they would have been, you could see that the first plant of which I collected had a rather yellow blossom. Good to know that this is altitude related. I was confused because it was definitely not a rustica. Thanks for clearing that up for me. Let me do a bit of clearing up on my end of the globe;

So the seeds I collected were collected on Timor-Leste, the Eastern half of the island called Timor. Beside the AVH entry I have found a few other accounts of people describing "Timor" tabacco, including a few occasions on this very forum. I was quite happy that Deluxsestogie and Knucklehead mentioned that their seeds were distributed by ARS-GRIN. The ARS-GRIN entry is informative enough to tell us that these seeds were collected on Java, not Timor.

Why would one use the name of one island for the variety of tobacco on a totally different island? The two are miles apart! I will tell you why; "timur" in Bahasa Indonesia simply means "east". Quite unfortunate for this case of tobacco unraveling, the island at the other end of the Indonesian archipelago is called "Timor". The Portuguese called their colony Portuguese Timor, (using an "o" rather than the "u" in Indonesian in the same way as the Dutch used "oe" instead of "u"). When the Portuguese took off in 1975 the Indonesians began their occupation within that same year. Indonesia called it Timor Timur, whereas the Timorese themselves called it Timor-Leste in Portuguese and Timór Lorosa'e in Tetun. Timor-Leste, East Timor, Timor Timur, Timór Lorosa'e, they are all variations of the same thing, "East East".

The "Timor" of ARS-GRIN is probably a subvariety that was/is grown in the East of the island Java. They would have overcome a lot of difficulty here by calling it "Timur", not "Timor". In that case it would have been clear from the start that the varietal name refers to "East" and not to the island Timor. Actually, I can't think of a single reason to call the variety Timor. Not only in Bahasa Indonesia is "East" spelled as "timur", it is the same word and spelling in Javanese, which was spoken in Java at the time of the collection of ARS-GRIN and is still spoken as of today. Naming this variety "Timor" was bound to cause confusion. To make things worse, the collection of ARS-GRIN was said to be in Klaten, which is not East Java in the first place, but is Central Java. Maybe it was called Timor by the people in the East of the Klaten regency, but to adopt the name for that reason would arguable make even less sense than deluxestogie's example of "white blossom", "red blossom". It's a bit like calling a variety from Kentucky "West" because it is West of Virginia. Makes no sense at all.

To give enhance your understanding, "timur" is used more often in tobacco variety names. A variety used much in the production of kretek cigarettes is called Jatim. This is simply an abbreviation of the words "Jawa" and "Timur", meaning East Java. Indonesians are quite good at making such abbreviations, the National Monument in Jakarta is called Monas (from Monumen Nasional). I am no expert on the properties of this "Timor" variety of ARS-GRIN, I've never seen it, but I do know I would have given it a different name. Obviously I can't undo nor change it in any way, but the least I could do is give this account of what is going on in my mind. To summarize:

Geography
Timur = Indonesian word meaning East
Timor = An island in the east of the Indonesian archipelago
Timor-Leste = A country covering the eastern part of the island Timor

Tobacco

Timor = Tobacco from Klaten, Central Java, Indonesia
Timor-Leste Viqueue = Label of tobacco seeds found South of Venilale, Timor-Leste
Timor-Leste Ainaro = Label of tobacco seeds found between Same and Maubisse, Timor-Leste
Timor-Leste Liquiçá = Label of tobacco seeds found North of Railaco

As for referring to the three different labels I am considering changing their district names to how they are written in Tetun, which would be Vikeke, Ainaru and Likisá. And possibly use Timór Lorosa'e rather than Timor-Leste. I could also call them after their respective sub-districts rather than districts. Those would be Ossu, Maubisse and Bazartete. Maybe that's a bit too much for narrowing things down. Or just keep them the way they are now. Maybe you guys can suggest what to do.

Another thing which I want to comment upon is the Besuki issue on Deluxestogie's grow log of 2014. I do apologize if it has been discussed elsewhere. I think Besuki is somewhat a collective name as there are at least two varieties that I've seen here in East Java. I've gathered seeds of both and have recently started to germinate some. One plant is supposed to be much shorter than the other. After curing and fermenting, the tall plant is said to produce green tinted leaves whereas those of the shorter ones should have a more reddish colour. I personally label them Besuki Pendek and Besuki Tinggi (Indonesian for short and tall). I will track the progress of the Besuki in this thread if things go as planned.

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Some remaining photo's of tobacco growing in Viqueque and the collection thereof.

 

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I had already posted these to your Introduction thread but I'll reproduce them here as it seems a more appropriate place. Indonesian varieties in my possession:

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Dindigul Cheroot370312primitiveIndonesia

The numbered varieties are PI numbers assigned by GRIN. Apparently they don't have a more romantic name for them.
 

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I admire your efforts to add clarity to the naming of the tobacco varieties. ARS-GRIN has its own difficulties with spellings, misclassifications and ambiguous sourcing data. But when tobacco seeds get into the hands of actual home growers, the spellings and the names themselves tend to mutate. It's just the way it is.

The sourcing information on Timor 405659 is unclear. It was originally collected in 1956, probably from a University collection located on Java. That info is lost. It went to the seed bank at NCSU from the main seed bank in Beltsville, Maryland in 1975. [This transfer marks the data backstop for far too many varieties in the ARS-GRIN collection.] GRIN accessions that were originally cataloged (usually prior to the 1970s) provide much more detail about their source and the hands through which they passed. The best info is provided by those early Agricultural Explorers, in both their cataloging and in narrative letters--some of which still exist.

So heaven knows what this Timor 405659 actually is. I was expecting a tall plant with large leaves, like Deli or Besuki, but ended up with a runty plant with small leaves. That may have been the result of peculiarities of that particular grow, or inherent in the strain.

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That sums it up! I might have seemed upset, I am not. I am merely explaining from my end what I know. I know little about tobacco but I do know a bit about Indonesia. By sharing what we know we may come to a better understanding of what we are exactly growing and where it comes from. With so many varieties and people naming them, things are bound to get mixed up at some point. But in the end, all we want is a bit of diversity in the tobacco we grow, so no hard feelings at all.

But I do like to dive in and dig some things up! The list of varieties in your possession is a nice one. As I mentioned, I am growing some Besuki as well. I noticed the spelling on this forum is sometimes Bezuki. The 'z' is not used in Indonesian languages, with the exception of some loanwords, thus I'd stick to Besuki. How often have you grown Besuki and has any of you noticed differences between plants grown under the same or similar conditions?

Much of the literature on the old Indonesian days is in Dutch, which gives me an advantage reading it. I have found a number of digital .pdf copies of old Dutch books describing the tobacco culture in Indonesia. I will read some of it and in due time will give a number of findings relating to these varieties and maybe some things that are interesting for the Indonesian tobacco in general. I am well aware that there has been another thread on Indonesian tobacco in the Cigar Forum so I won't double post things that have already been said there. Maybe it would be better to move this discussion to that particular thread and leave this one be for the Timor-Leste tobacco.
 

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I can just speak for myself, and haven't look at it like you are upset. I really like your story and your way to explain.
I most say that you seem to have found home and will be (and are) a interesting part of this forum.
 

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I have found a number of articles relating to the earlier subject of Timor tobacco and acquired digital access through an old classmate studying at the University of Wageningen, which keeps a large amount of old documents relating to botany of the Dutch in Indonesia during the colonial era.

A lot of the cigar grown tobacco at the time seems to have been centerred at the Experiment Station in Klaten, located in one of the Vorstenlanden. The Vorstenlanden definitely deserve a new thread on this forum. There is a ton of information I want to translate and offload. But in this thread I will focus solely on the Timor strain to clarify what I brought up earlier. Once that is out of the way I can continue by reporting on the growth of the Timor-Leste, which is starting to germinate.

The first mention of the Timor variety I found in a book called "Ziekten van de tabak in de Vorstenlanden", written in 1921, meaning "Diseases of the tobacco in the Vorstenlanden". When discussing Phytophthora nicotianae (black shank) it states that in order to minimize the loss to Phytophtora it was suggested in 1913 for the Experiment Station to find a plant suitable for crossbreeding with the Vorstenlanden tobacco which would have a high resistance against the disease. This could be a line of inferior quality only to be crossbred to inherit its trait of resistance. It should be crossbred with a variety of high productive quality.

Since then, the 1921 book continues, there have been high hopes for acquiring such a line. "Most extraordinary have been crossbreedings with a from Timor originating variety that has been isolated by the Experiment Station. This is the only referral to any variety from Timor in this paper and it does not mention which from which part of Timor this variety is.

In 1951 a summary on the activities of the Experiment Station was written titled "Large scale use of F[SUB]1 [/SUB]hybrids in Vorstenlanden tobacco". The Timor variety is a topic of discussion in that paper, but there is no mention of its origin. However, by now I feel it is safe to assume that its origin may be concluded by its given name. Whereas previously I was not too sure from whom the ARS-GRIN got the name Timor, there is now enough reason to believe that the Dutch named it Timor, after its origin. Therefore I was wrong in my earlier post in this thread to say that the Timor tobacco is likely not from the island of Timor. As the Dutch trade was predominantly focused on the West part of Timor I suppose it must be from that side of the island, though the Dutch and Portuguese only formally decided on drawing an official border in 1913.

I continue the tale of the crossbreeding experiments as it would be interesting to learn what it amounted to. "The highly resistant Timor, useless as quality tobacco, was crossed with Kanari". The variety Kanari itself will be a point of discussion in the thread on old time Indonesian varieties. For now, all to know is that it is a Vorstenlanden variety. At first it was difficult to obtain a hybrid in which quality and high resistance was combined. They did so eventually in 1936, after continued selection for quality and multiple backcrossing of the hybrids with Kanari, with another variety called E[SUB]3[/SUB]K, as well as self-fertilization. After it was proven in field experiments that this variety indeed had a high quality leaf and a high resistance against Phytophthora they named the variety Timor Vorstenlanden (or abbreviated as T V). Large scale cultivation soon followed and it was said that there was an increase in yield of 30%.

If I am not mistaken there are three different collections of Timor tobacco in ARS-GRIN. These are PI73505, PI405659 and PI404978. The first, PI73505 was collected prior to establishing the Timor Vorstenlanden variety so I reckon it must be the real thing. PI405659 was collected in 1956 and PI404978 in 1975. These could either be the original Timor variety as the name suggests, the Timor Vorstenlanden, or an intermediate form. Judging from Bob's description of PI405659 ("but ended up with a runty plant with small leaves") it seems to be the original Timor variety. As Knucklehead has both other varieties as well, it would seem very interesting to me to grow all three under the same circumstances and see how they differ. I'd love to do that myself but was declined a seed request from ARS-GRIN earlier this year, prior to subscribing to this forum. Would also love to find out more about the Timor Vorstenlanden variety...
 

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If I remember correctly all my Indonesian seed are still in the original GRIN envelopes. I sent most of each to the FTT seed bank and to a back up location so all the eggs aren't in one basket. Since I have only grown out the Timor and Besuki and collected seed from those two varieties I will need to take a peek in each of the other packets to know whether or not I have enough left over to share or if I need to do a seed grow out of each first. It's would be kind of neat to send some back to their place of origin and compare them to a stateside grow.
 

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Judging from Bob's description of PI405659 ("but ended up with a runty plant with small leaves") it seems to be the original Timor variety.
Off the top of my head, I made comments about my grow of Timor Pi 405659. This was incorrect. I was remembering my experience with growing No. 3666 Deli (Pi 113718), collected from Honduras in 1936, which I had expected to be similar to Indonesian Deli leaf (famous as Sumatra wrappers), "but ended up with a runty plant with small leaves."

My grow of Timor Pi 405659 produced a very tall, columnar plant with large, broad leaves, acuminate tips. The medium green leaves kilned to a deep brown, durable and stretchy wrapper that was (sun-grown) thicker than Deli leaf, and offered a deep, leathery taste. It burned well. By the time I had finally kilned and sampled the Timor wrapper, it was too late to start more for this year. But it was definitely a keeper.

Sorry for adding to the confusion. It wasn't until Anton commented on my 2015 walk-through video, and my watching it again, that I recognized that I was speaking of the wrong variety.

SUMMARY: No. 3666 Deli (collected in Honduras) is crummy. Timor Pi 405659 is excellent and large.

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That changes the perspective I should say. That Timor you grew does not look like something I would describe as "useless as quality tobacco". To my eyes that plant looks a lot like the Besuki grown in Indonesia except the leaf spacing seems larger. There is more space between different leaf positions. It looks as if this could very well be the Timor variety that has been crossed. Showing real dedication one would grow these plants in a field where other plants are affected by Phytophthora. I highly doubt anyone is going to set up such an experiment.

Would be nice to hear the status on your Timor seeds! Regardless of who would be growing them, it would be nice to grow all three together for a comparison. To draw speculative conclusions on whether the other two might be the original Timor variety. Again, PI73505 seems the most likely to be the plant that descents from Timor.

For confusing the Deli with the Timor, another thing. Earlier I said that I was told Besuki has several varieties, one of which is tall and the other more short. Today I heard someone else say that they call the tall Besuki variety Delisutra, which I think could very well mean Deli Sumatra. Then again, I would not confirm a description of "a runty plant with small leaves".

Summing it all up, Bob grew Timor which came out with a large columnar plant, broad leafs, whereas Timor was originally a variety of inferior quality. He grew a Deli that had small leafs, whereas Deli tobacco should not be that at all. A big mix up (not by Bob this time) and it does confirm that some of the collecting, storing, name tagging is an endless mess. A nice little mess, nevertheless...
 

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Time for an update!

Since sowing the seeds on the 12th of July a couple of things have happened. I had sown a few Viqueque seeds as I did not have a lot in my possession, a medium amount of Ainaro seeds, and way to many Liquiçá seeds. A few Viqeuque seeds germinated, a lot of Liquiçá seeds germinated, but none of the Ainaro did. I decided about a week ago it was time to add new seeds to the Ainaro pot. They germinated very soon and seem to be better spread. Today, there seems hardly any difference among the size of the plants.

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As you can see there are only few Viqueque plants that have stayed alive. The soil in their pot is more dry. I found out today that they receive a small amount of sunrays during the day which I hadn't noticed earlier. The permanent shadow - few sunrays divide was just inbetween the Viqueque and Ainaro pots. They haven't suffered too much I think, there were only a few seeds that germinated to begin with.

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I was not satisfied with the soil of the Viqueque pot having dried out a bit. Some of the soil was to loose and the plants seemed to have some difficulty to handle. The Liquiçá plants were in too close proximity of one another. For both I used a pair of tweezers to transplant them to a new home which is more moist and they have a bit more space. I hope they like it. I have not touched the Ainaro. They seem to be well spread in the pot and I'll see how they do. I wonder if any of their ancestors were ever handled with such delicate care...
 

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Beautiful work, all around! One thing - the babies are a little tender at this stage and top-watering may harm them. If you can place them in a tray of some sort, you could water from below and probably have better luck with the tiny plants. And perhaps you have them situated that way and it doesn't appear in the photos. If so, I apologize. Thanks for the update!
 

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I zoomed-in on one of the babies. With careful photo enhancement, I was able to see that it was happy.

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im really digging the shed u got made out of bamboo,,,

if i was in your region id be growing so much pot it'd make your head spin,,
 
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