Members seed contributions and list

[andrewislord]

Good luck.
As a non contributing member, I would be more than willing to at least pay some shipping on a seed. This site is awesome and I'm more than willing to help.

Actually, I'm pretty sure you'd find a lot of the non-contributer people willling to help.

I don't know how to grow tobacco much, but if you anyone wanted me to seed something I'd do it.


We can all do the work for you. Especially deluxestogie who seems to have some programming skills. That would make this whole thing simple.

 

[driftinmark]

I would definetly pay for some seeds!!!

 

[darren1979]

Ive bagged my Adonis this year and am gonna have a bucket load of seed im willing to donate, i understand you dont want to charge people for seed so how about if people receive seed from the seed bank they agree to grow out one plant of each variety they received and send you the fresh seed. That way you get a constant grow out supply and every member feels they are doing there part.

 

[johnlee1933]

Ive bagged my Adonis this year and am gonna have a bucket load of seed im willing to donate, i understand you dont want to charge people for seed so how about if people receive seed from the seed bank they agree to grow out one plant of each variety they received and send you the fresh seed. That way you get a constant grow out supply and every member feels they are doing there part.

Good Idea ! Even if you have trouble with your grow some other dude will have had a good year

John

 

[deluxestogie]

It should be better organized than that, since each seed batch by each grower needs to be maintained separately, and the resultant seed should never be combined with other grow-outs of the same variety. The result would be a nightmare. I would suggest specific grow-out assignments to specific growers, perhaps duplicated at most.

Bob

EDIT: It's not about feeling good, but about maintaining varietal purity.

 

[FmGrowit]

Speaking of maintaining varietal purity, I should probably divide the collection and keep them in separate locations.

 

[deluxestogie]

Skychaser recently posted a link on HTGT for Nicotiana quadrivalvis seed:

http://sacredsucculents.com/california-natives/

This is the tobacco smoked by the old men of the Hidatsa Tribe, of the northern Great Plains, and described by Buffalo Bird Woman's Diary (1915). It might be a worthwhile addition to the seed bank, if any member is interested in buying a packet for next season, and donating the seed to FTT. (Costs less than a bacon double cheeseburger.) BBW's Diary is one of the rare historical references to smoking dried tobacco blossoms.

There is not a lot of demand for it, but the issue has come up from time to time. Speak up if you're interested, since just a small grow would be plenty.

Bob

 

[FmGrowit]

If you can forward the contact information to me, I'll make the purchase.

 

[leverhead]

Skychaser recently posted a link on HTGT for Nicotiana quadrivalvis seed:

http://sacredsucculents.com/california-natives/

This is the tobacco smoked by the old men of the Hidatsa Tribe, of the northern Great Plains, and described by Buffalo Bird Woman's Diary (1915). It might be a worthwhile addition to the seed bank, if any member is interested in buying a packet for next season, and donating the seed to FTT. (Costs less than a bacon double cheeseburger.) BBW's Diary is one of the rare historical references to smoking dried tobacco blossoms.

There is not a lot of demand for it, but the issue has come up from time to time. Speak up if you're interested, since just a small grow would be plenty.

Bob

I'll bite. Just to see what it thinks of the southern plains. It'll stand out from the Orientals.

 

[BarG]

Make that 2, I don't know if I qualify for the southern plains But I plan on limiting my grow after this year and would be glad to do a grow out of your choosing.

 

[deluxestogie]

If you can forward the contact information to me, I'll make the purchase.

That link (http://sacredsucculents.com/california-natives/) is the purchase site. Just scroll down the page about half-way to the entry for Nicotiana quadrivalvis BK10911.1 “Indian Tobacco”
. The list is semi-alphabetical, but divided into sections. Price is $3.25 + $2 postage.

The order form is here: http://sacredsucculents.com/sacred/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/orderform725.pdf

Bob

EDIT: That site accepts only check, money order or cash. No credit cards.

 

[deluxestogie]

More from http://sacredsucculents.com/california-natives/

Nicotiana paniculata BK00.1 ”Tobacco” “Qhamasayri”
Solanaceae. Unusual annual tobacco species we collected in 2000 at Moray; an amazing Incan agricultural center at 12,000′ in Peru. Rounded leaves and stems to 3-4′. Lightly variegated flowers: green, yellow and white. A rare and wonderful plant. Z9b
Seed packet $4

Nicotiana tomentosiformis “Wild Tobacco”
Rare perennial species with leafy upright stalks to 10′. Large mouthed dark pink flowers. As the name suggests, it resembles N. tomentosa but never reaches the size of that arborescent species. Endemic to the Yungas region of Bolivia. Genetic studies suggest it may be one of the parent species of the cultivated tobacco (N. tabacum), being hybridized millennia ago with N. sylvestris and N. otophora. Z9b/10a
Seed packet $4.50

Nicotiana rustica BK09508.1 “Tutuma” “Chavin Tobacco”
Round leaved annual to 3–6′ with yellow-green flowers. Sacred tobacco, we thought this was N. thrysiflora, but now that it has flowered for us at home it is clear that it is a distinct Nicotiana rustica strain. Heated leaves are used for rheumatism. From our collection at the edge of cultivated fields just north of the town of Chavin, Ancash Dept., Peru, 10,000′. Z9b
Seed packet $4

Nicotiana tabacum ‘Bolivian Criollo’ “Black Tobacco”
Annual with large sticky leaves, pink tubular flowers. This is a criollo strain grown locally in Bolivia, the region in which it is believed N. tabacum was originally domesticated. Traditionally cured as a “negro”, a dark, strong smoke. Z10a
Seed packet $4

Nicotiana solanifolia “Tobaco Cimarron”
Solanaceae. Rosettes of wavy paddle shaped leaves. Flowering stalks 3-5′ tall with green tubular flowers. A rare and unusual tobacco found only in rocky areas in the fog belt of coastal northern Chile. New to cultivation. Z10a?
Seed packet $4

Nicotiana glauca “Tree Tobacco”
Solanaceae. Perennial shrub or small tree to 20′. Large, leathery, glaucus blue leaves. Clusters of tubular yellow flowers attract hummingbirds. Said to be native to the southern Andes, but is now naturalized all the way into central California. Considered erroneously to be invasive, but it only grows on disturbed ground, hence its abundance along roadsides and construction areas. Does not contain nicotine, but the bioactive analog anabasine. Widely used as a sacred tobacco, makes an interesting smoke. Z9a
Seed packet $3

Nicotiana rustica ‘Ancient’ ”Tobacco”
This seed came to us from a friend who received it as a very special wedding gift. The seed was discovered in a 1000 year old urn at an archaeological dig on Vancouver Island. An amazing relic, it has proven highly viable, we grew out robust plants to 3′. This is the first generation seed from this ancient sacred tobacco. Z9a-b?
Seed packet $6 [deluxestogie note: this is obviously bogus]

Nicotiana rustica ‘Kessu’ “Tobacco”
Small tobacco to 2-3′ with round leaves and yellow green tubular flowers. N. rustica is the most potent tobacco, having the highest nicotine content, making an excellent insecticide and shamanic smoke. This specific strain, Kessu, is the most northernly strain ever recorded, growing in central Finland just 400 miles from the Arctic Circle! Z8b?
Seed packet $4

Bob

 

[Rayshields]

Make that 2, I don't know if I qualify for the southern plains But I PLAN ON LIMITING MY GROW after this year...

Hey BarG, ain't harvest fun! Especially after I let my alligator mind overload my hummingbird back. I might have been okay if I hadn't done anything but air cure in my existing metal building. But ohhh no, it had to be way more complex. I am thinking that next year I may grow 50 instead of 500.

 

[leverhead]

Ahh, you're snake bit. I'll bet it'll be more like 250 than 50.

 

[Tom_in_TN]

I'm raising 3 varieties that needed to have its seed replenished and am willing to raise at least double that # next season, heck triple that because I will do it. However you guys figure out what will get the job done I will go along. Keeping the seed bank replenished, keeping old varieties from being lost and then keeping it all sorted out is important.

 

[BarG]

Make that 2, I don't know if I qualify for the southern plains But I PLAN ON LIMITING MY GROW after this year...

Hey BarG, ain't harvest fun! Especially after I let my alligator mind overload my hummingbird back. I might have been okay if I hadn't done anything but air cure in my existing metal building. But ohhh no, it had to be way more complex. I am thinking that next year I may grow 50 instead of 500.

Rayshields , your a trooper , regardless of aspirations. My little grow kicked my ass .Its a hell of a side job for a beginner. And you got the finest onions this side of the mississippi..I'll vouch for that.

 

[Tom_in_TN]

Rayshields and BarG, I did the same thing and raised a bunch. Holding down a job and growing too much tobacco makes for a lot of work. Harvest will extend through August and into September for me. But, depending on circumstances I should have enough leaf of several varieties to allow me to concentrate on learning how to create a shade structure for wrapper leaf and small plantings of other varieties and some for the seed bank of course.

I have some real pretty YTB leaf that looks and feels like it can be used as wrapper leaf. It is getting close to being air cured and I'll try rolling some soon.

 

[deluxestogie]

Tom,
Thank you for staying on topic.

Bob

 

[Rayshields]

Tom,
Thank you for staying on topic.

Bob

I have a bad habit that I may not be able to break. I consider several members to be friends, even though I have never met them. I am very prone to play off of their comments without any reguard to the title of the thread.

To be truthful, I pay very little attention to the thread title while reading posts. I can't get any continuity of dialog if I start a new thread to interact with a member on an existing thread.

My attempts to bag seed failed. I bought organza and used Gorilla Tape to seal the edges because I can't sew very well and have no sewing machine. Even though we had a very dry summer, we had a lot of wind. The tape did not adhere to the organza.

 

[skychaser]

Skychaser recently posted a link on HTGT for Nicotiana quadrivalvis seed: http://sacredsucculents.com/california-natives/ This is the tobacco smoked by the old men of the Hidatsa Tribe, of the northern Great Plains, and described by Buffalo Bird Woman's Diary (1915). It might be a worthwhile addition to the seed bank, if any member is interested in buying a packet for next season, and donating the seed to FTT. (Costs less than a bacon double cheeseburger.) BBW's Diary is one of the rare historical references to smoking dried tobacco blossoms. There is not a lot of demand for it, but the issue has come up from time to time. Speak up if you're interested, since just a small grow would be plenty. Bob

I ordered the N. quadrivalvis seed and got it a couple weeks ago. I'll be doing a grow out next year. I've talked to the site owner by e-mail a few times now. He has been growing nicotianas for over 20 years and knows his plants. He e-mailed me a list of the nicotians he has, most of which were on the list Bob posted, and we will be doing some trading later this fall. I plan on growing out a few of the varieties he has next year.

I grew 24 N. Clevelandii plants this year that came from wild collected seed in 2011 in Central California. I will have lots of Clevelandii seed available soon. You should see how a desert plant that eeks out its living at the edge of a sandy wash will grow when you put it in some good soil with regular waterings. lol They completely took over the rows they were planted in and the walkways on both sides. They were covered with white flowers when in full bloom and were quite beautiful. But the plants have a nasty acrid smell when growing.

Growing a truly wild plant is a bit different than Rusticas or Tobaccums when it comes to collecting the seed. First, the pods are very tiny and it takes a lot of them to add up to much. And second, as the pods ripen they go from green to yellow to brown in 48 hours, and split open immediately and start spilling their seeds. I've been picking them everyday but I'll would still bet half the seed is on the ground.