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Update #3
Just wanted to drop a quick note/update on the "Salvaged/Reclaimed" Samsun action I had taken.
Well almost a month later of using the reclaimed Samsun and I still have noticed no side effects, no hair growing where it shouldn't be like the roof of my mouth, or any other ill effects. So. I'm guessing that using the 50/50 mix of hydrogen peroxide and distilled water did not (1) alter the tobacco to any degree or (2) cause me any ill effects (as of yet).
Again, this is simply my observations and I make no representation as I am not a doctor, scientist or chemist and this stuff could come back and haunt me twenty years from now. Just how I see, smoke and smell the impacted Samsun. lol :giggle:

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H2O2 is relatively harmless, and becomes water, once it fizzes on something. The only risk is if the mold is Aspergillus sp., it may produce aflatoxin. Aflatoxin is toxic to the liver, and is not destroyed by the hydrogen peroxide.

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H2O2 is relatively harmless, and becomes water, once it fizzes on something. The only risk is if the mold is Aspergillus sp., it may produce aflatoxin. Aflatoxin is toxic to the liver, and is not destroyed by the hydrogen peroxide.

Bob
Yes, you are correct, and I did not mean to be flip in my prior posts, just a little humorous and maybe tongue in cheek, but again I state that most of this is way over my head, and have found extremely conflicting research as to effects. Some articles state the the key point is at 200 degrees to kill fungi/bacteria/mold/others, then the articles will shift like the tides in saying consumption is unhealthy regardless and could cause health issues both short and long term. I have seen where it is noted that consuming in skin touching actions, i.e. chewing/snuff and even cigars is the worst, however, due to the burning of the tobacco in cigarettes/pipes and it not touching skin, this lessens the harmful effects somewhat, but again, tobacco consumption is hazardous regardless of method.

"As early as 1971, Papavassiliou and coworkers concluded that “[C]igarettes are contaminated with various fungi.” They studied cigarettes that were manufactured in the USA, Canada, England, France, Belgium, Germany, Jordan, and Egypt. Hundreds of strains of fungi were isolated. The Greek scientists demonstrate that the most prominent fungi were Aspergillus (28 strains from Greek cigarettes and 35 strains from other countries). They raised the question as of the association of the fungi with allergies but commented that this issue has not been resolved [114]." [sorry I don't have the references for the above and below, nor do I cite the sources like one should in a paper]

"The staple commodities regularly contaminated with aflatoxins include cassava, chilies, corn, cotton seed, millet, peanuts, rice, sorghum, sunflower seeds, tree nuts, wheat, and a variety of spices intended for human or animal consumption. People can be exposed to aflatoxins by eating contaminated plant products (such as peanuts) or by consuming meat or dairy products from animals that ate contaminated feed. Farmers and other agricultural workers may be exposed by inhaling dust generated during the handling and processing of contaminated crops and feeds. Large doses of aflatoxins lead to acute poisoning (aflatoxicosis) that can be life threatening, usually through damage to the liver. Outbreaks of acute liver failure (jaundice, lethargy, nausea, death), identified as aflatoxicosis, have been observed in human populations since the 1960s. Post-harvest interventions include preventive measures to address adequate storage conditions (moisture, temperature, mechanical or insect damage, and aeration), which influence contamination and toxin production by mold. Other measures, such as chemical decontamination or use of enterosorbents, can be used to remove aflatoxins from already contaminated foodstuffs."

I was lost when I saw all of the different molds, fungi, etc, so I am simply going by my "Personal" view/understanding and do not advocate anyone to per se follow my way, hence the reason I tried to word it that way in the posts. With molds being in everything, we are consuming them whether we know it or not from what I read and what little I was able to understand. Put that together with the fact that tobacco is consumed via the smoke, i.e. it is burnt, while not really good for a person in the first place (smoking that is) the next step would be to try and reduce exposure risk to an acceptable level.

I do sincerely thank you for your point and really appreciate it, like I said, I am learning from everyone here. I would never have know about the connection you identified.

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Here's the deal with aflatoxins. When they are burned, they're gone. The risk is in using contaminated tobacco to directly sniff (nasal snuff) or suck on (oral smokeless and use as a cigar wrapper).

So if your uses of tobacco are only for burning (and not used as a wrapper), then aflatoxin is not an issue.

Bob

EDIT: With all those food items, just cooking them does not destroy the aflatoxin. It's a problem.
 

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If it has mold in the trash it goes.
As for PG added to tobacco I would not do it.
I smoked e cigs for a yr. made with PG in the flavors and suffered a lot of I’ll effects and so did my wife. You can eat eat but smoke it is another story.
 
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