It does not add flavour and does the job. It seems to be what you are after.
Swedish Match use it in some of their snus too.
DIY snus Kit with pictures
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Swedish Match use it in some of their snus too.
That’s awesome. Thank you. I was led to believe PG and Glycerine would have a similar moisturizing “clumping” effect but I was wrong!
Wisps77
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I did enjoy reading this thread. I did read every post. I did learn a lot.
I am completely new to snus, so please excuse me if I am asking dumb questions.
I was wondering if the 24h cooking is absolutely necessary, and what would happen without it. For this discussion, let's ignore bacteria, and assume that it is sterile.
I have read in the Wikipedia article that in the early days of snus development they did not cook it, but it was simply allowed it to ferment in jars for several weeks. (One could give it a 15-30min cook before that to kill bacteria).
Did anyone try this method of fermenting without 24h cooking? Is that long cooking absolutely necessary for it to be effective (releasing nicotine)?
I was wondering if the 24h cooking is absolutely necessary, and what would happen without it. For this discussion, let's ignore bacteria, and assume that it is sterile.
I have read in the Wikipedia article that in the early days of snus development they did not cook it, but it was simply allowed it to ferment in jars for several weeks. (One could give it a 15-30min cook before that to kill bacteria).
Did anyone try this method of fermenting without 24h cooking? Is that long cooking absolutely necessary for it to be effective (releasing nicotine)?
The long slow cook doesn’t do anything to the nicotine. Adding an alkaline salt (sodium carbonate , etc.) makes the nicotine more bio-available, resulting in a faster “rush” of nicotine.
The long slow cook is done for flavor development.
Thanks for the clarification, that makes good sense. I heard that they similarly alkalize pipe tobacco to be more absorbable in the mouth instead of in the lungs.
Perhaps the best is to simply try a small batch with a quick cook and long fermentation, the way they did in old times, and see if it is any good. The taste will speak for itself.
Thanks Bob, I intend to explore the methods of turning raw fresh cut tobacco (I just bought a batch) into something that works well in pipe. I tried smoking it as it is, both as rolled cigarette, and in pipe as well, and it is OK. Just wonder if it can be made even better.
Oh... trust me, yes. Yes, it can. Nearly all, if not all blends will improve dramatically with age. Pressing the mixture is a good way to improve it. I have a VA/Per blend that is not great when it's just mixed. After a week of pressing it's pretty good. After two weeks of pressing (with slightly higher case) it's great. I use a relatively inexpensive Amazon-sourced noodle press right now. Some mixtures are also improved by stoving them, applying low to moderate heat for extended periods.
In my humble opinion, the actual blend of tobaccos is just the beginning. More magic happens after the leaf is blended by the application of time, pressure, and heat in various combinations. Sometimes a little booze as well; a little spritz of bourbon instead of water to bring dry leaf into case for pressing can do wonders for the final product.
Great inspiration Dale, thanks! Since this thread is about Swedish snus, I would not like to hijack the thread, but very interested in exploring deeper what you wrote about.
Can you point out a single forum thread that specifically discusses turning fresh raw tobacco into cured, good tasting pipe tobacco? Right now I am not interested in blends, because have only one type of tobacco. Only the process of improving the pipe tobacco quality is my focus now.
Can you post a photo of the "fresh raw tobacco"? I'm not sure what you have.
Bob
Bob
The pipe smoker forum has a number of good threads. https://fairtradetobacco.com/forums/pipe-smokers-forum.49/ You'll find some discussion about pressing, stoving, and so on.
Also, if you look at the "Key Forum Threads" (link above), there are a couple of good books published by our own beloved @deluxestogie that cover many aspects of blending your own pipe tobacco. Lots of nice blend recipes, and some pointers for processing. Of course there's a ton of other really good information there as well.
It's more art than science. I try new things out with small test batches. I have a little gram scale and will typically mix up a little 16 gram batch. That's enough to get a few bowls and see if it's a blend I like, and it's easy to press or whatever. If it's terrible I can toss it without wasting a lot of leaf. Honestly, I think I've only ever tossed one little batch, and that was because I accidentally grabbed a little spritzer bottle that I thought was water - it was mineral spirits. Oops. I have it prominently labeled now.
And I agree, it's better to just start a new thread in the Pipe Smokers Forum. It might even be possible to move these posts to that new thread, I don't know.
Yes here is the image attached below. It was harvested this year and finely cut up for cigarettes. Allegedly they export it to Japan (not sure though if this is true). The taste is mild, and of course with a slightly rawish taste as compared to commercial rolling tobaccos, because this was not aged yet.
Originally I was looking for a natural unadulterated replacement for commercial rolling tobaccos, because I noticed that they have started to poison those with some additives (like with pyrazines etc.) lately. This batch of 1kg was bought directly from the producers.
Since I can't really trust rolling cigarette papers either (due to potential hidden toxins again), I decided to switch to pipe. Then it will be as natural as possible. This is why I want to try to convert at least part of this batch to pipe tobacco.
Thanks for the advice and analysis. I will start a new thread about my latest findings in connection with the health effects of nicotine, which is a cure for many ailments. And perhaps another thread about converting this finely cut rolling tobacco to pipe tobacco, since this is not in whole leaf anymore.
To respect the subject of this thread you can move some or all of these unrelated posts to other threads if you want.
Posting any medical advice will not be allowed on the forum. Well-referenced science findings, accompanied by links to the original studies and data are always welcome.
Bob
JukkaPekka
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Tillbudet.se used to sell DIY snus kit but I don’t find it anymore. Is it gone?
Anybody have any idea?
Anybody have any idea?
Portionssnus och snussatser för lössnus med möjlighet till egen smaksättning med våra snusaromer och eteriska oljor
Portionssnus och snussatser för lössnus med möjlighet till egen smaksättning med våra snusaromer och eteriska oljor
www.tilbudet.se
Bob