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1st outdoor grow in Finland 2023, Victory Garden -style: @mysc

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Journal about my first outdoor grow.

Quick facts:
-1st outdoor grow, had some experience on indoor growing
-Allotment lot with bad soil on public grounds
-Far north location, latitude c. 63 north, central Finland
-Minimal budget
-6 or 7 seed variety from Ebay and local sellers, Rustica, Virginias, Burley, Kentucky, possibly Rot Front (can't remember anymore)
-Bad summer weathers, late frosts, almost record dry June, followed by almost record wet July


Started a bit too early, in late March, by putting seeds in large balcony flower container on a south-facing windowstill, transplanted seedlings to individual seedling pots when they were few centimeters tall, and then tried to keep them from overgrowing when summer just woudn't come and there were still bitter frosts in early June. The seedlings were 20-30cm tall and lanky by then, with zero outdoor hardening because my apartment lacks any balcony. Nothing unusual about seedling period otherwise, I have done few indoor grows on the said windowstill earlier.

Propagation sometime in May:

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The lot is a leased allotment garden lot from city public grounds, kinda like Victory Garden equivalents, most people are growing supplementary food, very rudimentary and renters change a lot. It has bad soil, almost full clay with maybe a bit of very fine sand mixed into it, nothing cultivated for the last 10 years at least so it was like concrete, not even many weeds. I had to start the tilling by shovel because the motorized tiller would not touch the ground that hard. Took a few days of manual tilling, then finished it with a motorized tiller and banked the earth to 7 banks about a meter apart. No better soil hauled from elsewhere, because I had decided this would be a minimum-budget approach and to see if anything grows in such conditions.

I base-fertilized the soil between tills with chicken manure, about 50kg per the 100m2/1000sqf area. I assumed the ground is rather acidic and has close to zero existing nutrients, although have not tested. The manure had about 2 weeks to settle. I know it should be tilled and fertilized last autumn and let settle over winter, but I did not have the lease to the lot before this spring.

Finally planted the seedlings on June 8th. June 10th is said to be sort of foolproof date for no more spring frosts after that, in old folks' tales here in central Finland but this year was exceptionally cold in the spring. Planting went okay, about 130 transplants on 10x10m rented lot. Cloudy day, about 15 degrees C/ 60 F. Lots of watering. Covered them with very thin white fabric. There were few nights very close to freezing, and that combined with the unacclimatized seedlings and direct sunlight at day, the transplants went bad. All turned completely white on the leaves, the stalks wilted to the ground and I was almost ready to call it quits at that point. But given about a week, about half of the seedlings started to grow sucker-like small leaves and eventually survived. I buried the obviously dead ones and started watering the survivors every day, for it was very dry, not a drop of rain for many weeks.

1 or 2 days after the transplant. Perkele.

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Sometime at the beginning of July the plants that survived (about 60-70) finally started looking like they could hold their own against weeds at least, for there were a lot of weeds and I only cleared the root areas of the plants, not everything. It would have been hopeless, because the lot had not been properly de-weeded over winter (I don't know the correct term but the process where you just de-weed it for the first summer several times and let the winter kill the rest of the weed roots, and only start planting on the second summer).

By the time in early July they looked like this, still rather smol. The rusticas in the very back row are so smol they don't even show from all the weeds growing taller than them.

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Then came the July which has been very close to record rainfall and humidity here, very low readings in barometer and rather cool, 20C tops. Nothing like in more southern Europe where they have had the super heat waves. The plants got into rapid growth stage and by the end of the July looked like this. Almost no watering needed, just given them about 5 kilograms of about 4:1:5 NPK fertilizer that is given in water solution, because that was the estimate given in Virginia Uni publications for Burley and Virginia tobacco, for this area (100m2, about 1000 square feet) and I have no better knowledge yet.

End of July, the first finnish Virginias in front row already topped, german Virginias in the back not even budding yet:

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And then the bad weather July ended with really bad weather weekend storm, which caused the largest Virginia and Burley bushes to fall and snap at the root of the stalk. There are few stalks that seemed to survive so that the plant is still alive 5 days later but the stalk snapped partially and generated those grain-like textures in the injured part that I don't have a picture of, but it looks like lots of sesame seeds that you see on hamburger buns, clustered to the injured part of the stalk. About 5 largest bushes snapped completely and I had to take them to try stalk drying, although it is probably way too early, they were under 2 months from transplant when they fell. I propped the partially injured plants with wooden supports and some of them seem to stay alive when propped, so the water intake is not totally cut off and part of the stalk survives.

After the storm, propped semi-snapped plants:

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I was seriously pissed, this has been propbably the worst weather combination imaginable for growing (late frost, draught in June, Noah's Ark conditions in July, but that storm was just an insult to injury. And there is a new storm forecast in few days, I'm about to make simple wooden poles to prop the biggest plants against, and tie them to those with large zip-ties, loosely, so that they don't injure themselves against the ties, but also preventing the whole stalk falling under its own weight in the next storm and snapping at the root.

Overall I am hopeful, for the conditions are so low-end and the weather has been hostile, to say it nicely, that anything grows and hopefully matures a bit before the first autumn frosts. I have also noticed that there are huge differences between the different seeds for normal Virginia (bought locally, and bought from german ebay seller). The local "traditional" seeds produced very early flowering plants, I had to top them about a week ago just before the storm, barely 1,5 month from transplant. Some of the seeds are from store stock and some from indoor-grown plants from the same seeds, but 2nd generation. No noticeable difference between those, maybe the store-bought ones were a bit fore fertile and quicker to start, but no big difference. The seeds bought from some german ebay seller are plain Virginia too, but produce much later-developing and heavier plants. Bit taller, but about 2 times heavier on the leaves, and flowering much later, they have only started to form buds and I assume it will be 2 weeks to topping, at least. Almost a month later than the finnish Virginias. Maybe the finnish ones have been bred to bloom and mature as early as possible because of the short summer (about June 10th the last frost, and early to mid September first frost so only 3 months of sure growing period).

Some notices I have made this far:

- I wonder if the stalks are really that prone to snapping at the ground level normally during strong winds, or is it this very damp weather that has softened them so that they can't stand strong winds normally? At least I will have to prop them pre-emptively next year when they get heavy enough and bad weather is forecast.
- I should order more seeds from that german seller, they seem to be the best growing, the only problem with them is do they manage to ripen before the frosts or am I forced to harvest too early. The finnish ones have much lower yields but probably will ripen in time.
- I assume there is no real benefit to harvest own seeds, they don't seem to be any better performing that the store bought ones although they were taken from the best plants in previous harvests
- I should find an allotment lot with better soil. There are a few besides this one around the town, I will have to keep looking what sort of natural soil they have, and probably take my operation elsewhere next year, for that clay soil is just nasty.
- Fertilizing, I don't know. Some of the Burleys and Kentuckys especially have had yellow bottom leaves early on and the top leaves are mosaic-colored on most anything (pics related), I don't know if this is an indicator of some nutrient deficiency or even toxicity? I have not tested the soil pH.


Older image but the yellowy tint on Burleys in mid-July is best visible here, it has not changed since:

yellow leaves and tint on burleys.jpg

Pretty much all the top leaves except Rusticas look like this now, mosaic-y:

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This is how the whole lot looks today, prepping for the second storm is underway. Also visible the fertilizer used for about 5kgs (Kekkilä watering fertilizer).

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Thanks for reading, any input is greatly appreciated!
 
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Welcome to the forum. Feel free to introduce yourself in the Introduce Yourself forum. That is quite an initial post. Be sure to read the New Growers' FAQ, and scan for topics of interest in out Index of Key Forum Threads. Both are linked in the menu bar.

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Welcome to the forum! You are doing well for your first outdoor grow. You learn so much in that first year; don't expect 100% success (In other words, if you are not failing, you are not learning).

A couple quick comments:
1) If you did not bag your flower heads to prevent cross pollination then don't save your seeds.
2) Mulch is a gardener's best friend. It moderates moisture content, prevents weeds, and improves the soil. Check your local recycling center - many of them will give it away free or at a very reasonable price just to get rid of it.
3) Buy an inexpensive soil test kit and check the pH, mineral content, etc. Check online for local gardening clubs and contact them for information about the local soils and how to improve them (and also for resources like compost, mulch, etc.)
4) Summer storms are the enemy of all tobacco farmers! If the soil is loose enough they usually will just fall over and can be propped back up. Sounds like your clay soil is still fairly compacted if they snapped. If storms are typical for your area you may want to incorporate a trellis system next year.

Keep up the good work and have fun!
 

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Hey! We are located at The same latitude, im on the coast tho.
I would recommend gettinge some growlights for starting the seedlings,with the season beeing so Short, you really need to cut down the time that the seedlings spend with transplant chock i find. Propper lighting will yeald compact plants, that takes more favorably to gettinge transplanted out.
Also Im courious about these traditional Finnish Virginias, do you have more information about them?

Over all i think it looks Good, Good luck with The rest of the season.
 

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Thank you everyone for the input! Few new pics showing the maturing stage, all plants are now topped and fertilizing has been ended, it's only removing suckers now.

I am still a bit confused about the very pale color of all the Burleys and Kentuckys, added a last fertilizing water about a week or 10 days ago, for I was not sure if part of the yellowness was nutrition deficiency but I guess not since they didn't change a bit. The long weather forecast looks good, 5-10 celsius at night, 15-20 at daytime for at least 2 weeks, no frost in sight. I am less concerned about weather and more concerned about two-legged pests now, for this area has more than its fair share of petty crime and vandalism and the field is located very visible, out in the open. Should probably consider moving for the next year just because of that alone.

Hey! We are located at The same latitude, im on the coast tho.
I would recommend gettinge some growlights for starting the seedlings,with the season beeing so Short, you really need to cut down the time that the seedlings spend with transplant chock i find. Propper lighting will yeald compact plants, that takes more favorably to gettinge transplanted out.
Also Im courious about these traditional Finnish Virginias, do you have more information about them?

The Finnish Virginias were ordered in 2021 from https://maatiainen.fi where they were just called "Virginia tobacco seeds" but they are obviously very different from the German ones. Kept in the fridge since then. Almost as smol as Rustica, and flowered and matured a month earlier than others. Very narrow, pointy leaves, visible in the front of the field in first picture. Rusticas are also from there. I wonder if that Virginia is actually the infamous "Amersfort" sub-species that was grown here commercially in the past and said to be ideal for cold climates, very early maturing.

I used a led bar somewhere between 20-30W in the seedling stage, but maybe it was too high or too little for the length of about 1,5 meter

edit: My bad, the Amersfort seems to be Rustica, not Virginia. Well then, not the slightest idea what those mini-Virginias might be.
 

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Well i cant say for sure how much grams i did throw on my plants but i know that i gave them 2-3 spades of chciken manure in and around the plant hole and 3 additional spades (half full and not that high) of chicken manure each in the middle of the grow phase together with a little bit of nitrogen and some liquid swamp water (grass clippings into a big watercontainer and let it break down) which seemed to do the trick with my plants. I think i could even use more on the cigar strain.

So not that little but my soil was also not the best. Try in addition to free them from weeds with a good dutch hoe and buy yourself some sharpening file and stone so it slices like butter and you have fun with weeding.
 

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confused about the very pale color of all the Burleys
Most burley varieties today are "white-stem" burleys. The carry a genetic defect somewhere in their chlorophyll metabolic pathways. So the stalks and stems tend to be a lighter green, and the leaf lamina appear more pale—especially on the lower leaves. This has implications for color-curing. The chlorophyll defect means that the leaf will color-cure to a lovely brown before the other chemical processes of curing have completed. Give them extra time after coloring, before allowing them to fully dry.
not the slightest idea what those mini-Virginias might be
Their leaf shape appears to be correct for Virginia flue-cure varieties. I suspect that they are dwarfed because of strong competition from all the grass growing beneath them.

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The Finnish Virginias were ordered in 2021 from https://maatiainen.fi where they were just called "Virginia tobacco seeds" but they are obviously very different from the German ones. Kept in the fridge since then. Almost as smol as Rustica, and flowered and matured a month earlier than others. Very narrow, pointy leaves, visible in the front of the field in first picture. Rusticas are also from there. I wonder if that Virginia is actually the infamous "Amersfort" sub-species that was grown here commercially in the past and said to be ideal for cold climates, very early maturing.

I used a led bar somewhere between 20-30W in the seedling stage, but maybe it was too high or too little for the length of about 1,5 meter

edit: My bad, the Amersfort seems to be Rustica, not Virginia. Well then, not the slightest idea what those mini-Virginias might be.
There seems to be at tendency to call any n. Tobacum Virginia around these parts, i have some "Virginia" as well, that doesnt display any Virginia characteristic. For example if you look up n. Tobacum on Finnish wikipedia you get the resolut "virginiantupakka" seems we lack the language to accurately categorise tobacco varietys.
Still courious of these seeds, think ill order a pack, thank you for linking.

I would say to me 20-30 W sounds quite low, The plants i lit with at around 80w per 1m² seems to have been doing the best. My lighting was a compleat mess of a brunch of different lights taped together tho, so im unsure of actual wattage/m²
 

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I work as a organic gardener and as such tobaccos are greedy plant and enjoy mulch and compost and hate competition for nutrients and space.Never leave your ground empty allways cover or as I do grow green manure.I believe tobaccos love clover for its nutrient profile(fixes nitogen)I also like alfalfa alot.
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The plants i lit with at around 80w per 1m²
Digged thrugh my pics:
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The compact seedlings seems to get next to no transplant shock, tho i still put fiber weave when transplanting, and leave it there untill they start to get crammed, higher temperature and humidity should teoreticaly make them grow quicker, while also making me sleep better, knowing theres atleast some barrier against the potential Frost...
 

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Yeah, I must do proper de-weeding the next summer and get some sort of sharpened hoe for it, for I already noticed that trying to de-weed by hand is hopeless when the ground is completely unimproved and weeds grow like crazy. This year I just have given up for I am not sure if I will stay on the same plot for next summer or move somewhere else. All the proper excuses for being lazy... Do you think a push or pull hoe would be better? I see more pull-type hoes for sale here, probably the same idea, cutting weeds with a square steel frame by dragging it a bit underground and then cleaning up the cut weeds with a rake.

I think there must be something else to those Finnish Virginias being left so short, besides the weed competition (although it definitely has contributed to that) because they were so quick to grow and relatively large in the early stages. They were the first ones to survive the transplant shock, the first ones to grow knee high, and the first ones to flower only about a month from transplant, and then the first ones to stunt growth, also. The rabbit in the race of rabbit and the turtle.

@Bottenslam, would you be interested if I sent you a sample of those mini-Virginia seeds I have left, maybe you could try them the next year in better soil and with more experience, and see if anything changes or if they stay smol? And anyone else interested, too, I could send a little seed sample by mail if you PM me your address. Maybe enough for 2 samples to send because I have used up most of the seeds. Let me know if interested. Free of charge, of course. And with a caveat that there may be few other seeds mixed in, they have not been in tight containers.
 

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Yeah, I must do proper de-weeding the next summer and get some sort of sharpened hoe for it, for I already noticed that trying to de-weed by hand is hopeless when the ground is completely unimproved and weeds grow like crazy. This year I just have given up for I am not sure if I will stay on the same plot for next summer or move somewhere else. All the proper excuses for being lazy... Do you think a push or pull hoe would be better? I see more pull-type hoes for sale here, probably the same idea, cutting weeds with a square steel frame by dragging it a bit underground and then cleaning up the cut weeds with a rake.

I think there must be something else to those Finnish Virginias being left so short, besides the weed competition (although it definitely has contributed to that) because they were so quick to grow and relatively large in the early stages. They were the first ones to survive the transplant shock, the first ones to grow knee high, and the first ones to flower only about a month from transplant, and then the first ones to stunt growth, also. The rabbit in the race of rabbit and the turtle.

@Bottenslam, would you be interested if I sent you a sample of those mini-Virginia seeds I have left, maybe you could try them the next year in better soil and with more experience, and see if anything changes or if they stay smol? And anyone else interested, too, I could send a little seed sample by mail if you PM me your address. Maybe enough for 2 samples to send because I have used up most of the seeds. Let me know if interested. Free of charge, of course. And with a caveat that there may be few other seeds mixed in, they have not been in tight containers.
I have bought some pendulum hoe from amazon and some asiatic hand hoe. Both need to be sharpened to give the best results and you have to use it on hot days to really bake the weeds but then it becomes easy.

The weeds in your garden are already quiet estabilished so some stronger hoes could be good. Some say they like the push hoe more but i dont have neither just some big planting hoe.

You could tarp the area off but you need some hote weeks to really kill them and then remove the roots.
Most easy and quick way would be to buy some roundup after the harvest and do a once and then never application.

Fire cleaning would also be an idea and kills weeds quiet nicley but you need some material.
 

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That would be really nice. i can send you seeds from the varietys that grew well for me this year, once they are mature. Mainly Latkia and Rotfront, seems to have produced the best, i got some old Swedish varietys as well, Tofta (grown alot in Finland during ww2) , Alida and per-pers. Alida seems to yeald some really nice big leaves.
They are early bloomers, with low yeald but good to have early plants around these parts
 

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An end of harvest -update and asking a bit of novice advice about color curing in the last pic also.

So the season progressed with all-time-record-breaking warm September, with not even close call for frost which is quite unusual here. Mostly up to 15-20C day temps, with night temps in 5-10C range. Those temps are not unusual for a cool mid-summer this far up north so I really got lucky with them, albeit at the cost of extremely wet weather combined. I am honestly surprised they did not drown in that clay soil and constant light rain with occasional downpours added. The soil was so saturated with water, on drier days it jiggled and wobbled under step, and during rain, was un-walkable, foot sucked into the mud up to the ankle, so I tried to avoid all nonessential walking and only took care of pinching the suckers every few days. Sucker growth was heavy.

This first pic shows the situation at around the 15th of September, with very unusual warm haze in the air and 20C day temps. Such haze is usually only visible in summer here and even then not very common.

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I started removing the lower leaves from Burley/Kentucky etc. more yellow plants at the same time in mid-September, about 3 weeks after topping. This picture was taken somewhere around the time of first priming, with only the lowest leaves of yellowest varieties primed at this point. I honestly lost count of the varieties, the name tags got missing sometimes early in the season. So I just numbered them to keep them separated during harvest and cure, and later blending.

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That progressed to gradually priming the larger plants, about 1 week apart, trying to wait until at least half of the lamina was yellowed in the field. The following pic shows the situation in end of September, still unusually warm and wet for the season. The mini-Virginians in the front and Rusticas in the back were harvested in a single session, after it became obvious they would not get a slightest hint of yellowish tint in the field but stay dark green, like 1,5 months after the topping for mini-Virginias. Rusticas I knew would not yellow and didn't even try to top or de-sucker because of prior .. bad experience. The mini-Virginias even made a second round of flowers which I did not care to top very prudently. My attention was in the larger varieties which I kept topped and sucker-free to the end. As seen, the mini-Virginias were extremely thick and forked to like 10 side-stalks at the bottom. I wonder if this had something to do with the less than perfect transplant at the start of June when the main stalks of transplants were killed due to exposure, and those plants that survived (about half) made new main stalks from sucker growth at the very beginning. I that made them more forked than normal, I dunno.


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Then the final harvest for all remaining leaves, ripe or not, on the 4th of October. There was frost forecast for the night between 5th and 6th, and it indeed dropped to -3C that night and kept in the lesser minus degrees after that for 2 nights or so, so I think I made the right decision, used the period up to the very end, but still avoided frost.

I'd like to mention that the pure Virginia varieties stayed very green up to the end (4th of oct, almost full 4 month from transplant on 8th of June). Very little to no yellowing in the field. Is this normal, or was the variety just something meant for much warmer climate and longer growing season, I don't know. It was the only variety I had to harvest fully green just before the frost. All others (Kentucky, Burley, Rot front, etc) I could prime and harvest at least half-yellow, most 3/4 yellow.

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Here is the air-curing arrangement I made, ladder-type shelf. The leaves are stacked quite tight but that is intentional, because the warmth and humidity is bad for curing. Much too hot and dry, about 24C and only 40-50% relative humidity in the room according to hygrometer. This is the downside of these late Soviet-style public housing blocks that you have almost zero control of the heat and humidity, other than keeping all ventilation windows open up until the Christmas and then only half closing them, because almost every apartment I have been into, grossly over-heats in the heating period, resulting in very warm and dry air in the winter.

So I started the cure for each priming with pile curing them in heavy paper grocery bags, and turned the pile a few times over a week or so. It usually took between 5-7 days for all greenness to disappear in the pile cure. Only then I hanged the leaves to dry, for they would green flash for sure in this 24C/<50RH condition otherwise. The leaves were either uniform yellow or half yellow half brown when hanged to dry on the ladder.

The first pic shows the curing of mini-Virginias only. They had to be pile cured all the way to brown because they did not uniformly yellow in the pile cure, and otherwise would have left green spots to flash dry green. Resulted in the quite a dark brown color.

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Then the ladder of all others, mixed rows of pure large Virginia, Kentucky, Burley, etc. primed and hanged there over a period of month.

The only question I still have is that do you think the green tint on the underside of some of the leaves, mainly seen in the upper 2/3 rows (they are pure Virginia without any hybrid), will disappear over time given these very warm and dry conditions, or should I take then down now that they still have some moisture left and not totally dried, back to pile cure in paper bags?

I have sprayed them with misting bottle a few times after I transferred them from pile cure to that ladder a few days ago, but even that dries out very quickly in this furnace of a room, and does to inducted into the leaves. I have also noticed that every other variety except the pure Virginias cured quite uniformly, from green, to yellow, to brown. But the pure Virginias cure chaotically. The leaves in pile cure most had like 1/3 of lamina bright green, 1/3 yellowish ugly mess, and 1/3 brown at the same time. They don't yellow uniformly at all, and are such quite a pain to cure even with the pile cure method. I even had a few leaves that had mold and green flashed parts in the same leaf... that was just unfair.

Please note that most of the leaves are from early primings and have been on the ladder for almost a month and are crisp-dry. The newest additions are in the front of the ropes, mostly that plain Virginia that doesn't yellow nicely at all and has that worrying green tint on the underside of leaf, although the upper side is already light brown.

(The Burley and other hybrid varieties then have been a bliss to cure, very neat uniform yellowing in the bag, and very neat uniform browning on the ladder.)

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Thank you all for your help and great community. It was quite a learning experience, this 1st outdoor grow.
 

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Some leafs of my virginia also were really green till the end (cut everything down yesterday). I think it comes down to time in the sun and getting them quiet big when you start the season and life in a colder climate.

Some color cured leaf of mine have some greenish tint to them too while beeing sourrended by nice cured leaf of the same plant but i will ferment them just like the others and look if it goes away.
Once it has dried this way with clearly green chlorophyl parts it cant be saved but some odd coloration should go away.
 
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