Comparison of the same tobacco grown in different places

[Davo]

I understand the impact root intrusion may have, but what about lack of space for the leaves to grow? I have been allowed to use a spot in the garden that would be ideal except it only has about .5m clearance from the fence behind it, maybe even less

 

[plantdude]

My experience with root intrusion is with silver maple, white pine and dwarf apple. In each instance, the beds with stunted tobacco were filled with small, superficial tree roots (more of them the closer to the tree) when the bed was re-dug the following spring. I've dug out the tree roots down to 2' below the surface, and by the following spring, they have returned even more. So I don't feel that I need to invoke any mechanism other than the "butt out of here" signal produced by tree roots.

Bob

Just curious if there was any allopathic action going on from black walnut in addition to root competition.
I've had the same experience digging silver maple roots out of my raised bed garden every stinking year for the last 8 years now

 

[deluxestogie]

any allopathic action

I'm not sure what you mean.

Bob

 

[plantdude]

I understand the impact root intrusion may have, but what about lack of space for the leaves to grow? I have been allowed to use a spot in the garden that would be ideal except it only has about .5m clearance from the fence behind it, maybe even less

I've noticed if my tobacco leaves touch other objects like a wooden fence it tends to cause a large brown spot on the leaf over time (probably friction damage from the wind). You would probably end up with some damaged leaves on the fence side of the plant, the plant itself should live ok though. Might not be ideal but if that's the only place you have... Coming in about a meter off the fence would probably be better - A lot less fence touching that way.
Dravo, sounds like you need to have a talk with someone if they are only allowing you that spot in the garden, set them straight about what is important

 

[plantdude]

I'm not sure what you mean.

Bob

I pads and spell check are a bad combination - alleleopathy - damaging chemicals released from certain plant species that inhibit other plants growth. Like the invasive weed species Centaurea maculosa that releases allelopathic chemicals in the soil that kills many other competing species.

 

[Davo]

sounds like you need to have a talk with someone if they are only allowing you that spot in the garden, set them straight about what is important

I would personally like to live to see the growing season through to harvest so I may avoid this conversation. Lol

Nah, we have lots of space I can use for growing, however we have this one area at the back of the garden next to the orchard fence that we aren’t using, so I thought I’d chuck some plants there. Maybe will grow my Havana (think 142) as my understanding is that it has a smaller spread than the other varieties I’m growing.

 

[davek14]

Thank you.
The reason I bring this up is because I am in a discussion, in the pipe magazine forum and have become frustrated. The original question was, what has a greater influence, where it's grown, or how it's cured and processed.

I brought that up there quite a while ago and didn't get anywhere either. There are some people in that forum who are rather close minded. However, I have found it a nice place to hang for a few years now, good discussions if you take some things with a grain of m̶o̶r̶p̶h̶i̶n̶e̶ salt.

But, just recently political discussions reared their head and were banned. Then some political comments from some posters seemed to fly while others did not. I haven't been on in a while. I'll be doing a bit of research and may have to write that one off.

 

[GreenDragon]

The reason I bring this up is because I am in a discussion, in the pipe magazine forum and have become frustrated. The original question was, what has a greater influence, where it's grown, or how it's cured and processed.
Anyway, another FTT member warned me about choosing my battles there. I should probably have listened to him.

If this is the forum I think it is, I left it two years ago due to the same bull-chips. The "pet" trolls (ie officially sanctioned trolls) on that forum spew misinformation and uninformed "facts" and heaven help you if you disagree. I think the straw that finally broke me was the main troll argued that a distributor told him that there was no such thing as different varieties of tobacco, that the only difference is in how they were "processed" at the factory, and therefore he knew better than anyone else. As the Good Book says, never argue with a fool, so I left.

 

[plantdude]

As the Good Book says, never argue with a fool, so I left.

Crap, there goes talking to myself...

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

Crap, there goes talking to myself...

No, that just means you have to agree with yourself.

 

[GonzoAcres]

Ok, since we are getting off topic about bidets and drinking habits (the two not being mutually exclusive in all cases) I have a growing condition related question.
Black Walnut trees produce the compound juglone, which kills tomato plants. Just out of curiosity does anyone know if juglone/Black walnuts negatively impact tobacco or pepper growth since they are in the same family as tomatoes (Solenaceae)?
@deluxestogie I think you mentioned you had some black walnut trees in a post a while back. Did you ever try growing tobacco around those?

So, I am a fairly experienced pepper and tomato grower at small commercial scale (we grew roughly 40 quarter-mile (1200ft furrow irrigated raised beds) rows of peppers/chiles ~48,000 plants and 10 rows of tomatoes the same length ~ 6000 plants) last year between the two farms I work with. I do not live on the farms and have a house in the city on a double lot thats about 75'x140' most of which is in vegetable production. I've grown tomatoes in the back yard for years successfully, a couple years ago I need the backyard for a project involving a large box truck so I didnt plant most of backyard and got creative up front planting things where I could fit them, including planting tomatoes in the middle of the winter rye lawn which is there to keep heat/dust down, tomatoes just kinda limped along all season, they lived but it was sad to watch, rarely set fruit, when they did it took for ever to ripen and was small and looked sickly, after a friend that was visiting pointed out the 30-40 ft black walnut my neighbors have growing between the street and their sidewalk, I rememebered reading about the black walnut toxicity in tomatoes, the ones I had that hadnt done so well were almost as close on my property as the could be to the neighbors walnut tree.. which is still nearly 60ft away due to the wide street, a hellstrip and a sidewalk being in between them, apparently that was still enough to hinder the tomatoes... that being said I plant various peppers in raised beds in the hell-strip that's directly in between the walnut and where tomatoes were every single year without any issues...this being my first year growing tobacco, and because its such a tall plant its not suited to that area of the yard because I have a corner lot so it would obstruct the view of drivers at an already somewhat dangerous intersection, so I can't say how it affects tobacco...

Though a quick internet search did pop up a few articles on the subject that suggest juglone is harmful to a much broader range of crops that I was aware, including tobacco and peppers...