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Just what is it supposed to be? I assume that it's more of a marketing ploy than an actual cavendish.
 

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I see three so far. Sutliff calls it a blend of red and bright virginia with burley. Cupojoes under tobacco identification states the Lane blend is comprised of cavendish and Virginia. Cupojoes identifies the tobacco used in Dunhills golden cavendish to be burley, cavendish, and Virginia. My guess is it’s just marketing hype rather than a new way of making cavendish. The flavorings are probably different. Disclaimer: I haven’t smoked any of them, had never heard the term, and my views do not necessarily reflect the views of FTT or WLT.



 

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Commercial pipe blends may use the term, "Cavendish", simply to refer to the cut of the tobacco. If you make Cavendish processed tobacco (steam-cooked tobacco) with relatively low moisture, the final product comes out much lighter in color, compared to a wetter process. Cavendish-processed Virginia Bright or Lemon can come out kind of a golden red.

Summary: who knows...

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Pretty much what I was thinking @Knucklehead . Just marketing hype, plain and simple.

@deluxestogie Didn't know that less moisture would make the cavendish come out a lighter color, does it affect the flavor?

Finally went to the closest tobacconist (150mi +/- one way) and had been doing some looking before hand and kept seeing golden cavendish used over and over, was able to pick up a new pipe and a couple of favorite blends, peter stokkebye highland whiskey and morning coffee which they said the blend themselves, and a new one to try gawith hoggard rum flake.
 

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Didn't know that less moisture would make the cavendish come out a lighter color, does it affect the flavor?
Yes. If your pressure cooker can hold 6 Mason jars, you can set up 2 jars each of 3 different tobacco varieties (e.g. burley, Oriental, flue-cured Virginia)--a soggy jar and a "damp" jar. Pressure cook them all at the same time (~5 to 8 hours). You end up with 6 unique ingredients for pipe blending. The nicotine directly reflects the variety from which a Cavendish is made, and is not affected by the moisture content during cooking.

I've also made assorted Cavendish from cigar ligero, dark air-cured, Maryland and a half-dozen other varieties. It's easy and it's endless. And every one is different.

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I've made cav a couple of times in my instapot, set on pressure cook, high pressure, timed for 5hrs. Done both wlt hand tied virginia and wlt burley both soggy and the Virginia came out black and burley was a very deep dark brown. Done a batch with wlt red Virginia too, also black.

More to try, thanks Bob.
 

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I see three so far. Sutliff calls it a blend of red and bright virginia with burley. Cupojoes under tobacco identification states the Lane blend is comprised of cavendish and Virginia. Cupojoes identifies the tobacco used in Dunhills golden cavendish to be burley, cavendish, and Virginia. My guess is it’s just marketing hype rather than a new way of making cavendish. The flavorings are probably different. Disclaimer: I haven’t smoked any of them, had never heard the term, and my views do not necessarily reflect the views of FTT or WLT.



Captain Black gold supposedly only consists of golden cavendish, whatever that means. I always thought of golden cavendish as any virginia type cavendish as opposed to black cavendish which is also a mystery but I have read is generally made from a maryland or possibly burley type (maybe even a dark...i dont know)? This brings me to a question of my own. If I were to purchase some bulk Lane ltd. black cavendish would it be the same stuff they use in their captain black blend? Can I expect the same flavor/casing or is that specific to the captain?
 
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Captain Black gold supposedly only consists of golden cavendish, whatever that means. I always thought of golden cavendish as any virginia type cavendish as opposed to black cavendish which is also a mystery but I have read is generally made from a maryland or possibly burley type (maybe even a dark...i dont know)? This brings me to a question of my own. If I were to purchase some bulk Lane ltd. black cavendish would it be the same stuff they use in their captain black blend? Can I expect the same flavor/casing or is that specific to the captain?
I don’t know. We may have to read between the lines and their literature is intentionally vague to protect their “recipes“.
I see Black “toasted“ Cavendish in the Scandinavian Tobacco Group site that may shed a little more light on their designation between black and golden cavendish. It was the Lane bulk variants.
In the Captain Black section of pipe smoking 101, they state their Cavendish is aged in rum and sugar.
On the left of this page the many brands owned by STG is shown.
Both STG site and Captain Black site have pipe smoking 101 that adds a little more info in the comparison between the two.
I don’t know if any of this helps or if you’ve already read it.
 
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