jolly
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Good luck with your grow. I miss the cold and snow sometimes. Kids have only seen snow a couple times.
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Good luck with your grow. I miss the cold and snow sometimes. Kids have only seen snow a couple times.
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Plants are doing well. I'll post some pics soon. Bursa seems to be doing the best. The KY16 sat in the germination cup a bit too long and is still pretty small, but I put them in their own cups and they should get going again this week.
It turns out the green brior I thought I had sown was actually rustica. The seed isn't mislabeled -- I just thought I had sown the green brior. Oh well. The back wall is still really shaded and I don't think seedlings would do well there yet, so between the bursa and KY16 I've got more plants than the porch can hold.
I've also started some FL sumatra. They're already germinated and doing well. With the above statement germinating more seed doesn't seem to make sense, but I have a plan for these... I'll start another thread explain.
I'm still tweaking the plans for round 2. I've scaled back a bit since there's still a lot of work to do to prepare to kiln leaf -- since I don't have a kiln. Wanted to put together a cozy can set up. I bought a thermostat, but can't find a can around here. So far I've checked wal-mart and home depot. Wal-mart's website shows them for $14 but I'm not paying $35 shipping.
It turns out the green brior I thought I had sown was actually rustica. The seed isn't mislabeled -- I just thought I had sown the green brior. Oh well. The back wall is still really shaded and I don't think seedlings would do well there yet, so between the bursa and KY16 I've got more plants than the porch can hold.
I've also started some FL sumatra. They're already germinated and doing well. With the above statement germinating more seed doesn't seem to make sense, but I have a plan for these... I'll start another thread explain.
I'm still tweaking the plans for round 2. I've scaled back a bit since there's still a lot of work to do to prepare to kiln leaf -- since I don't have a kiln. Wanted to put together a cozy can set up. I bought a thermostat, but can't find a can around here. So far I've checked wal-mart and home depot. Wal-mart's website shows them for $14 but I'm not paying $35 shipping.
jolly
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Big blue cups are bursa, small cups with single plants are KY16, left side is cornplanter rustica, and the right side I have started some FL sumatra for steal growing.
Some cornplanter in individual cups
There were some tiny orange insects causing leaves to cup a bit. They were pretty fast moving, my guess was thrips. I mashed them by hand.
Found this guy on some basil. He'd done quite a bit of damage before I found him. Also found two smaller ones (about the size of a pin head). I smushed him and received a satisfying explosion of green basily goo.
jolly
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Just cut into the last burley twist from my 2012 grow.
Gotta replenish the stash!!
Gotta replenish the stash!!
jolly
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I've been tweaking my grow list over the last few weeks, and it will likely continue to be a work in progress. I've made changes for two main reasons. First to include stealth grow locations with different varieties, and second to scale back a bit on my seed order to save some money. I'm going to focus on getting good at growing/curing the seed I have for pipe tobacco while growing some cigar varieties that I don't.
Below is the updated table with the stealth grows in yellow. If these work out I'll likely be inserting some in the other rounds.
Below is the updated table with the stealth grows in yellow. If these work out I'll likely be inserting some in the other rounds.
jolly
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They're quick and easy -- now if I can just keep the kids from knocking them over...
jolly
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I needed to free up some cups, and the bursa was getting big enough to set out, so I planted all 11 of them today.
8 of them are now at home in a ROW nearby. The area is on a slope and I planted them at various places vertically up the slope. Since I won't be able to water these I want to see where along this slope they'll do best. Florida is a bit tricky -- it's very flat here, but the soils are sandy. A slight change elevation makes a huge difference. I think seasonality may come into play here as well -- forcing me to plant lower on these little slopes in the winter/spring and higher in the summer/fall rainy season. It'll be fun to discover what works best -- and I'll have to pay very close attention to environmental conditions.
I took my daughter with me to plant these and as we were planting we were stopped by a guy in an SUV. He rolled down his window and asked what we were looking at -- my daughter had brought binoculars for some strange reason. Turns out he's a bird enthusiast. We gave him some schpeil about seeing rusty red pigeons under the bridge, and I stated I was into botany and looking at plants and all was good (both of which are true, btw).
The other three are in my north wall border on the back porch. Since my porch is screened in, I'll use these for seed.
The cornplanter was set out front in the planter below the bay window. It's still a little small but it'll take off soon.
Transferred the burley to the bigger cups. I'm going to keep three of these on the porch in pots and border, and 2 will find a home elsewhere. I'll use the ones on the porch for seed.
I forgot my phone so no pics of the stealth plot yet.
Bursa on the North wall. The small plant was affected by thrips but should catch up.
Cornplanter out front.
What's left. I need to get the remaining cornplanter and the FL sumatra out of starting cups. Gotta get some more potting soil first. Hopefully today.
8 of them are now at home in a ROW nearby. The area is on a slope and I planted them at various places vertically up the slope. Since I won't be able to water these I want to see where along this slope they'll do best. Florida is a bit tricky -- it's very flat here, but the soils are sandy. A slight change elevation makes a huge difference. I think seasonality may come into play here as well -- forcing me to plant lower on these little slopes in the winter/spring and higher in the summer/fall rainy season. It'll be fun to discover what works best -- and I'll have to pay very close attention to environmental conditions.
I took my daughter with me to plant these and as we were planting we were stopped by a guy in an SUV. He rolled down his window and asked what we were looking at -- my daughter had brought binoculars for some strange reason. Turns out he's a bird enthusiast. We gave him some schpeil about seeing rusty red pigeons under the bridge, and I stated I was into botany and looking at plants and all was good (both of which are true, btw).
The other three are in my north wall border on the back porch. Since my porch is screened in, I'll use these for seed.
The cornplanter was set out front in the planter below the bay window. It's still a little small but it'll take off soon.
Transferred the burley to the bigger cups. I'm going to keep three of these on the porch in pots and border, and 2 will find a home elsewhere. I'll use the ones on the porch for seed.
I forgot my phone so no pics of the stealth plot yet.
Bursa on the North wall. The small plant was affected by thrips but should catch up.
Cornplanter out front.
What's left. I need to get the remaining cornplanter and the FL sumatra out of starting cups. Gotta get some more potting soil first. Hopefully today.
I'm jealous of your weather. Congrats on the early start.
jolly
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Thanks. I'd trade it for your ability to grow a ton of varieties in one season...
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I mentioned that I'd set out 8 plants at one of the stealth grow sites. This site is in a wetter area so I'm hoping since it's the dry season the plants will do well. I went to check on them yesterday. In two days, I've had some losses. Something tore through the leaves on many of the plants, and one was totally dug out.
Totally dug up.
Plants in center and far right, both a bit tattered. One on far right looks trampled. Central buds appear in ok.
Plant in middle of picture. Leaves look ripped up. Central bud looks ok.
Plants further up slope look better, but still a bit torn. There was some drought stress on these.
This guy looks the best, though still a bit drought stressed.
I'm thinking a raccoon smelled people and went for it, gave up quickly when he found no food. We'll see if the rest survive. The upland ones may not make it if we dont' get rain soon, and the lowland ones are pretty beat up.
On an up note, I found this on my walk back. Dandelion is not a common weed in south florida. It kinda reminded me of home for a minute -- which is ironic considering everyone at home hates them.
I was also able to get a bunch of FL sumatra in individual cups yesterday -- with lots leftover. Given the issues with the stealth grow pilot -- I figure I'm going to need double the number of starts to be successful.
Totally dug up.
Plants in center and far right, both a bit tattered. One on far right looks trampled. Central buds appear in ok.
Plant in middle of picture. Leaves look ripped up. Central bud looks ok.
Plants further up slope look better, but still a bit torn. There was some drought stress on these.
This guy looks the best, though still a bit drought stressed.
I'm thinking a raccoon smelled people and went for it, gave up quickly when he found no food. We'll see if the rest survive. The upland ones may not make it if we dont' get rain soon, and the lowland ones are pretty beat up.
On an up note, I found this on my walk back. Dandelion is not a common weed in south florida. It kinda reminded me of home for a minute -- which is ironic considering everyone at home hates them.
I was also able to get a bunch of FL sumatra in individual cups yesterday -- with lots leftover. Given the issues with the stealth grow pilot -- I figure I'm going to need double the number of starts to be successful.
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You got a deal. Growing a butt load of varieties is referred to as self flagellation in some areas. But...we're all here cause we ain't all there. lol
jolly
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Went to check on my stealth grow site yesterday after two weeks of not being able to get over there. All plants gone. Only the one pictured above was dug up. The rest appeared to have been eaten by something. I don't think it was insects. When I walked over to the site I heard an animal go crashing through the brush. My guess is raccoon or possum. Oh well. The ones on my porch are doing well. Will have pics up soon. And... I've found a really nice stealth grow site that can hold a ton of plants, is easily accessible right by my house, and doesn't appear to be heavily travelled by animals (we'll see). I think it may be too wet there during the summer, but it may make a great winter grow area -- and I might be able to get a few plants in now if my seedlings hurry up.
DGBAMA
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For growing in off places, I would bet getting them to 10-12" tall in 8" pots before transplanting would be your best bet for success. Check on them every couple days for the first week or so then once a week should be good.
jolly
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That's a great suggestion. I was hoping to get by without making any additional potting soil purchases, but I think i'm gonna have to bite the bullet.
jolly
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Took some pics of the porch plants a couple days ago. Finally got the burley big enough to set out.
Bursa progressing nicely
KY16 in the border
KY16 in large pot
Leftovers.
Notice that this pic, compared to the one I took earlier of this table, doesn't show much change. I switched potting soil brands from miracle grow to earthgrow. The plants have barely grown at all. You can see that the one FL sumatra in the front is much larger -- that one's in miracle grow. I've repotted another one in some miracle grow I had left. I may have to switch back, but it's 3 times the cost. Sucks -- and is delaying my plant setting.
Bursa progressing nicely
KY16 in the border
KY16 in large pot
Leftovers.
Notice that this pic, compared to the one I took earlier of this table, doesn't show much change. I switched potting soil brands from miracle grow to earthgrow. The plants have barely grown at all. You can see that the one FL sumatra in the front is much larger -- that one's in miracle grow. I've repotted another one in some miracle grow I had left. I may have to switch back, but it's 3 times the cost. Sucks -- and is delaying my plant setting.
Try giving them a shot of Epsom Salts. About a tablespoon per gallon. The Magnesium Sulphate in it will help with the uptake of nutrients. I'm assuming you've started giving them supplemental feedings of water soluble fertilizer. The Epsom Salts will give them a kick start.
jolly
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A quick update:
Tall plants bursa, shorter are KY16
FL sumatra (looks like I have a cutworm)
Potted KY16
KY16 growing next to a tangerine - you can't tell, but this one gets strong afternoon sun.
I'll post some picks of the rustica later, not sure why they're not showing up on my camera roll.
I've determined that this cheap potting soil is the culprit in slowing down the growth in my plants. Once they're out of it, they explode. That's what I get for changing my process. I haven't had a chance to get to the store to buy epsom salts, per Knuck's suggestion. I think I will soon. I'll run a side by side comparison of the crap potting mix alone, crap mix with epsom treatment, miracle grow mix. Might be interesting.
DGBAMA recommended using larger pots and setting larger plants at my stealth sites. I'll have to pick up some larger nursery pots (anyone know a free source? I may be scavenging around the home improvement stores...). Once the FL sumatra starts get big enough, I'll plant them at one of the more promising sites.
Tall plants bursa, shorter are KY16
FL sumatra (looks like I have a cutworm)
Potted KY16
KY16 growing next to a tangerine - you can't tell, but this one gets strong afternoon sun.
I'll post some picks of the rustica later, not sure why they're not showing up on my camera roll.
I've determined that this cheap potting soil is the culprit in slowing down the growth in my plants. Once they're out of it, they explode. That's what I get for changing my process. I haven't had a chance to get to the store to buy epsom salts, per Knuck's suggestion. I think I will soon. I'll run a side by side comparison of the crap potting mix alone, crap mix with epsom treatment, miracle grow mix. Might be interesting.
DGBAMA recommended using larger pots and setting larger plants at my stealth sites. I'll have to pick up some larger nursery pots (anyone know a free source? I may be scavenging around the home improvement stores...). Once the FL sumatra starts get big enough, I'll plant them at one of the more promising sites.
POGreen
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I like the top picture of that beautiful plant KY 16.
Looking good jolly.
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