Indoor grow tent! Swedish snus variety Tofta!

[loui loui]

Badischer Geudertheimer is from Alsace in France by the southern Germany.
I have heard on youtube that they have grown tobacco as far north as Luleå in Sweden.
The summer is very short in Luleå and it can come frost in the middle of the summer there so I wonder if they had a frost tolerant tobacco variety.

Even if Tofta is coming from the southern Sweden the summer is shorter than in southern Germany / middle of France.
Keep in mind that in the old times they had no electric lights so they could not sow the seeds indoor and they had to harvest and cure before in the autumn so they most likely had a rather short and fast tobacco variety.

Anyway, I am looking for a high nicotine tobacco variety that I can cross Tofta with.

 

[johnny108]

Badischer Geudertheimer is from Alsace in France by the southern Germany.
I have heard on youtube that they have grown tobacco as far north as Luleå in Sweden.
The summer is very short in Luleå and it can come frost in the middle of the summer there so I wonder if they had a frost tolerant tobacco variety.

Even if Tofta is coming from the southern Sweden the summer is shorter than in southern Germany / middle of France.
Keep in mind that in the old times they had no electric lights so they could not sow the seeds indoor and they had to harvest and cure before in the autumn so they most likely had a rather short and fast tobacco variety.

Anyway, I am looking for a high nicotine tobacco variety that I can cross Tofta with.

Geudertheimer was last commercially grown in 2014- EU regulations on nicotine limits per cigarette was the reason. Farmers loved it because it required far less hours per season, at a far higher production rate, and better price, than burley varieties, but not as good as “virgin” varieties. (“Virgin” is how google translates it- I don’t know if it means Virginia…)

 

[johnny108]

Google translate:
The third type of tobacco cultivated in Germany is the Geudertheimer, although its cultivation is limited to the Rhine Valley with a focus on Rhineland-Palatinate (400 ha). Another 100 ha can be found in Baden-Württemberg. The Geudertheimer belongs to an old, insensitive local variety. It is more robust than the Burley and relatively insensitive to various fungal diseases and viruses. The Geudertheim loves sandy soils. Originally cultivated for the manufacture of cigars, it is now also used as cutting material for cigarette and pipe tobacco.
Source: https://www.statistik-bw.de/Service/Veroeff/Monatshefte/20100105

 

[johnny108]

German tobacco farming: Geudertheimer farmers start at 23:16

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIggXg_u9u0

(it's in German, but you can see how they handle it, and it's a pretty crop!)

 

[loui loui]

The tobacco is nice to smoke.
I cured it for a few weeks at around 60% humidity and 29°C (84°F).

Some leaves are a little bit green but they are all from the same bamboo stick in the center of the tent so it is probably due to uneven air circulation. I can probably improve it for next curing by spreading out the air extraction or adding small fans at the top of the tent.

No matter what the grow was a huge success for being my first tobacco grow. Next time I will not grow for flower and seeds but it was a nice experience to see the plants full life cycle.
I really like the tobacco plant, it is both a usable plant and a decorative plant so it is fun and easy to give seeds to friends and relatives.

The smoke got a special taste, a bit cigar or something but it is nice and the effect is pleasant and relaxing.
I don't have a tobacco cutter so I just crumble some leaves with my hands when I want to smoke. The few thick parts I find I remove like I use to do with bought pipe tobacco.

This was a very fun winter grow and the tobacco was so nice to smoke so I may keep it for smoking so I have some tobacco for smoking without nasty additives.
I don't smoke a lot, a pipe sometimes, typically a package of pipe tobacco will last a month so this tobacco will last a long time for me.
I will probably make a small batch of snus soon just to try it but I am convinced it will be nice.

For the next grow I will tinker a bit with the air circulation in the tent to get an even air flow at the top of the tent for curing.
For growing I will not change a lot, the grow was a huge success for me. Thanks for watching!

 

[HillDweller]

This is the backside of a stone not far away from the other stone, in the old viking farming fields I have been talking about.
View attachment 45559

I'm really enjoying this series of photographs.

 

[Francoisfg]

hey Loui
can you give a hand
I am very late for my outdoor plant they are about 1 feet and a half
freeze is coming here in about 3 weeks
I want to transfer them indoor
bulb, 5,000 or 7,5000 Kelvin ?
Time of daylight 12/14/16 hours ?
humidity, the most i can do with the up i will do
tks
François

 

[Francoisfg]

no answer i ll try the 5,000 K
anyone know
1 why it needs humidity that much, the leaf drink by the leaf like cedar
2 at what period of the year they grow most 1 started, so i can adjust the light consequently
thousand tks

 

[deluxestogie]

no answer

@loui loui last visited the forum in June 2023. I'm afraid I cannot help with details of artificial growing environments.

Bob

 

[loui loui]

no answer i ll try the 5,000 K
anyone know
1 why it needs humidity that much, the leaf drink by the leaf like cedar
2 at what period of the year they grow most 1 started, so i can adjust the light consequently
thousand tks

Sorry for super late answer.
Plants need mostly red and blue light but today LED's are so efficient so we can use white LEDs, they provide plenty of red and blue light.
5000K will be good but the plant may grow different with another color profile but not by much.
How did the grow do?
I am doing a second grow now, I took a break.

 

[JukkaPekka]

Is the Tofta also good pipetobacco or do you blend it with other varietys?

 

[loui loui]

Is the Tofta also good pipetobacco or do you blend it with other varietys?

I smoked it pure in pipe shortly after drying and it but I forgot some leaves and after two years it tasted tropical fruits, it was awesome so this time I will build a kiln or wait two years.

I think it is at least a century old variety so I guess it is pipe tobacco because pipe smoking (and snus) was very common at the time.

I only want to have Tofta in the tent so it grows uniform, same height and nutrient needs. Therefore I don't have other types to mix with.

 

[loui loui]

Just after a spray. Spraying raises the humidity by about 15%.
I want the humidity to be 60-70% cause the plants seem to like it.
High humidity lets the plant open up the pores and breath without stress.
When the humidity is low plants closes the pores to save water, prepares for drought maybe, then it can't breath and grows slower but survives well.

I don't need the humidity to be constant but sometimes I want to give it a spray to bump humidity to 80%, like now.

I think the light is rated for max 70% but it seems to do good at 80% also.

 

[ProZachJ]

Are these plants in a flood table?

 

[ProZachJ]

Ah looking back at the thread I see they are bato buckets. Are you hand watering?

 

[loui loui]

Ah looking back at the thread I see they are bato buckets. Are you hand watering?

It is actually regular square 10 litre pots without tray, the floor of the tent have a water proof inlay so it is safe.
Yes I am hand watering with synthetic tomato nutrients every watering.
I have a lot of LECA mixed with soil, 50 litre soil to 40 litre LECA so it is semi hydroponic with hand watering.

 

[johnny108]

Loui Loui,
Glad to see you back!
There is a shortage of indoor farmers, here!
Always love seeing your setup.

 

[JukkaPekka]

Do you have some Tofta seed you are willing to sell?

 

[loui loui]

Do you have some Tofta seed you are willing to sell?

I have plenty of seed pods left from last grow but if you don't need more than 60 seeds I can recommend www.tilbudet.se.
It is from where I bought my seeds.

 

[loui loui]

Loui Loui,
Glad to see you back!
There is a shortage of indoor farmers, here!
Always love seeing your setup.

Thank you for your kind words.
Yes definitively a shortage of indoor tobacco growers, not just here but in the world!
We have short summers here in the Stockholm so indoor growing let's me grow all year.
It is also very fast growing cause I can have the lights on all day and night, some say plants need 4-8 hours rest but I don't think so.
Some different processes definitively occur during the night, drought etc. but I don't think plants need it to grow fast.
Sometimes I dim the light manually and open up the tent to see the beauty, I don't use the timer now cause I want the plants to grow fast and I think it grows faster with lights on 24/7.

I did grow pansies and they did flower just after a few weeks, months before what was written on the label.